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by from_Origin
Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:38 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: can humans BE God?
Replies: 290
Views: 132853

Re: Amin

YAM Amin, the question I was asking you, Can you become Amin? and why? Anyone else who cares to answer, would be appreciated. YAM Shams Shams, not sure if I'm picking up your questioning accurately, but here's my 2 bits: Amin cannot "become" Amin as he is already Amin. It is the knowledge...
by from_Origin
Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:15 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Why Ginans with music were banned?
Replies: 11
Views: 10960

In my humble opinion, 1. Ismaili Ginans are sacred. So much so that I heard from someone (may have been one of the really good Al-Waez) that even MHI listens to them (at low volume levels) while He goes about doing His work in His office. 2. Ismaili Ginans are sacred because they were entirely compo...
by from_Origin
Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:54 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: kamauddin missionary and Ginans
Replies: 31
Views: 33452

Re: Not worth it

It's not worth it talking to anyone about it..since according tothem i am east african and less of an ismaili and less knowledgable than they are in matters of the faith. ShamsB I can certainly say the issue is not specifically with or toward African Ismailis. It is on a different level and covers ...
by from_Origin
Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:45 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Saloko Naano Granth by PIR SADARDEEN
Replies: 9
Views: 10126

Thank you gentlemen for your wonderful thoughts
by from_Origin
Thu Aug 05, 2004 6:20 pm
Forum: Ginans
Topic: Saloko Naano Granth by PIR SADARDEEN
Replies: 9
Views: 10126

Saloko Naano Granth by PIR SADARDEEN

Ya Ali Madad I was wondering if anyone has researched or well familiarized themselves with philosophy and meaning of Saloko Naano Granth (Satgur Kahere) by Pir Sadardeen. To get this post started, I am particularly interested in part 8: satgur kahere prem bhagatee to radeh vase ane antar leh lagaay ...
by from_Origin
Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:39 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: where a bad person go after death in ismailism
Replies: 47
Views: 33015

Re: Reincarnation in Islam

or i am quoting the holy quran here..this is in the quran because i researched it for an alwaez who claimed that reincarnation was a hindu concept and MSMS and MHI made farmans to placate some people... Sura Baqarah [2.28] How do you deny Allah and you were dead and He gave you life? Again He will ...
by from_Origin
Tue Aug 03, 2004 3:17 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Where was Jesus's Birth Place????????????
Replies: 6
Views: 5464

Re: Birthplace

shamsu wrote:
Where was Jesus's Birth Place????????????
Purity

Purity is where Haq is born.

Mariam was Pure and Isa was Haqiqati.

hope u all get what I am trying to say.

Shams
Shamsu, please elaborate.
by from_Origin
Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:47 pm
Forum: Anecdotes
Topic: Honey bees
Replies: 25
Views: 31663

Re: Bees are Ismailies

shamsu wrote: Prince Aly Khan said that these are the ummat of my grandfather do not break this beehive.
What is "ummat"?
by from_Origin
Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:22 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Farmans
Replies: 24
Views: 18294

Re: Book

shamsu wrote:I have extra copies of that farman book but the whole thing is in gujrati.
Let me know if you want the book. email me [email protected].
How 'bout it Dr. Shamsu? Would you kindly share the Farman book with me? My last email out to you must not have reached you.

Thanks
by from_Origin
Fri Jul 23, 2004 4:22 pm
Forum: Pen Pal and Contact info.
Topic: Re: This site
Replies: 1
Views: 3247

Re: This site

<P>Im a proud ismaili. However, when a lot of non-ismailis ask me questions about our faith/beliefs/etc...I have not been able to give them a clear answer...is it okie to direct them to this website ??? or is it solely for us&nbsp;ismailis?</P> YAM From what I've read in other forums, according...
by from_Origin
Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:13 pm
Forum: Rites and Ceremonies
Topic: Hai Zinda /Qayam Paya
Replies: 26
Views: 30729

Re: haizinda

This is what I remember from hearing it Gur Gat Jamat ke haizinda It appears we are addressing Gur (Pir) and Gat Jamat (All present Ismailies) that (Shah) is alive and present. Qayam Paya to me means He is ours for eternity. Another way to look at it--Qayam is one of the names of Allah. So it could...
by from_Origin
Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:00 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Abe Shafa
Replies: 29
Views: 52480

Once Gandhi Came in Jamat Khana and ismailis were drinking Niyaz. Gandhi asked Mukhi can I drink it? Missionary stopped it and said it is only for those who have made bayyat to Imam.You can not drink it. Ginan was being recited at that time sugra ho so bhar bhar pyee nugra jayee pyaassa The one who...
by from_Origin
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:55 am
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Sirat-e-Mustakeem & Gumrah (Misleed)
Replies: 6
Views: 6066

Re: Sirat-e-mustaqim & Goomrahi

alinizar313 wrote: The one is actually goomrah in real term who lost the aqabat for this material world.
YAM Alinizar, what does aqabat mean in English? Would that be the "hereafter"?
by from_Origin
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:35 am
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: genes and religion
Replies: 6
Views: 5766

Re: genetic arguement

lets take alcoholism it is genetic but if the person never ever tastes alcohol will there ever be a problem? similarly most genetically decided issues can been seen with the eye of obedience to the farmans of the Imame Zaman Shams Interesting point Shamsu. What happens to those who are born in a fa...
by from_Origin
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:01 am
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Cause of the diseases?
Replies: 6
Views: 5122

Re: Diseases MSM

kmaherali wrote:
This is Imam SMS's experience. Not mine. I recommend everyone to read this particular page of "Memoirs" - page 307.
Well, in that case, may Mawla Bless you with continued development of Inner knowledge and the desire to continue to share with others.

Thanks for the clarification.
by from_Origin
Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:39 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: meta physics and ismailism
Replies: 10
Views: 10087

Re: KNOWLEDGE AND LIBERATION BY PIR NASIR KHUSHROW

shamsu wrote:READ THIS BOOK AND YOU WILL START TO UNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF ISMAILISM

GIRBAVALI OF PIR SADARDDIN WILL HELP A LOT IN UNDERSTANDING THE LINK BETWEEN METAPHYSICS AND ISMAILISM


SHAMS
Thanks for the reference Shams. Where does one get this book from? Is it in English (I hope)?
by from_Origin
Thu Jul 15, 2004 4:56 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Sirat-e-Mustakeem & Gumrah (Misleed)
Replies: 6
Views: 6066

Re: Intent

shamsu wrote: I think I must have been a missionary in a previous life
SHAMS
So, Mr. "ex-missionary", are you somewhere from Dallas?
by from_Origin
Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:44 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Cause of the diseases?
Replies: 6
Views: 5122

Re: Diseases MSM

In recent years, since the end of the Second World War, I have had a great deal of illness-enough, I suppose, in its content as in its prolongation in time, to have depressed me. I have undergone three major internal operations, two of them with what is ordinarily considered a fifty-fifty chance of...
by from_Origin
Thu Jul 15, 2004 3:31 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Names of imam in the last part!
Replies: 28
Views: 24978

Re: Imam Alyshah

shamsu wrote:I have heard froma reliable source that there is a farman of Imam Alyshah which says that in all types of ibadaat bandagi's Dua is Afzal because it has the names of Imams in it.

Shams
Dear Shamsu, please define Afzal.
Thanks
by from_Origin
Thu Jul 15, 2004 2:21 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: can humans BE God?
Replies: 290
Views: 132853

Re: can humans BE God?

Yes I said AT LEAST at Haqiqati level to allow for the ambiguity because of his dual role as Shah and Peer. Therefore Haqiqati level is the minimum level of his existence and offcourse he could also be "He who is above all else" at the highest. When a momin reaches the Haqiqati level he i...
by from_Origin
Wed Jul 14, 2004 4:26 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: teaching of ismailism personally
Replies: 26
Views: 19092

Do you know that basic things like concept of Niyaz,hai zinda,sukreet are taught in HRE level. YAM All, What is HRE? Here, I'd like to present my humble opinion. It is, of course, open for discussion. I believe there is a farman of MHI, when He's reflecting on the future of the youth in our Jamat, ...
by from_Origin
Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:05 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: can humans BE God?
Replies: 290
Views: 132853

Re: can humans BE God?

The difference between a momin and the Imam is that the momin needs Ibaadat for the elevation of his soul. The Imam is always at least at Haqiqati level. He does not need Ibaadat. He guides others to Haqiqati level. In this respect His presence will always be needed. When a momin becomes Haqiqati t...
by from_Origin
Mon Jul 12, 2004 6:50 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Farmans
Replies: 24
Views: 18294

Re: Khangi Farman of Imam SMS

Dear Nargis, The farman you are talking about is the famous Farman about Jismani rasto (physical path) and the ruhani rasto (spiritual path) and then there is the bhedsaed walo rasto (mixed up path). If I can make the time I may translate it for you but only if ADMIN allows me to on this forum othe...
by from_Origin
Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:05 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Golden Jubilee - 2006
Replies: 54
Views: 52333

Re: Golden Jubilee - 2006

YAM to all, hope everyone is keeping well I wanted to create this topic about the Golden Jubilee of our beloved, Mawlana Shah Karim Al-Huseyni which is comming up very very soon. What are some ways we can make our beloved Imam- E- Zaman happy? How can we renew our baiyat we have given him and make ...
by from_Origin
Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:50 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: "jeeve" and "soul"
Replies: 7
Views: 12160

Re: jeeve and soul

soul actually refers to nafs or the conscience. The conscience of man exists in 3 states nafs-e-amara = animal desire nafs-e-lavama= guiding conscience nafs-e-mutmaina=a peaceful conscience. The way I came up with nafs is that in the Quran the word nafs occurs multiple times and its english transla...
by from_Origin
Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:44 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: Four type of Deedar
Replies: 123
Views: 101522

Re: Deedar

YAM K, If we are going to embark upon this futile mission let me say a few things. In moti venti and BrahmPrakash it is mentioned aap mit nij aap samay in another ginan it is mentioned sarita saher ma samani OK Another Ginan states Yeh to maati ke putle, jisae mai japau jaap. Shams, great arguments...
by from_Origin
Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:01 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: where a bad person go after death in ismailism
Replies: 47
Views: 33015

Re: Noor

To become one with noor of Allah... When were you ever seperated from the noor of Allah in the first place? Ginans say "Noor ae rachiyo sansar" The breath you take-----was it not created from the Noor of Allah. So can it be any different from Allah. Whatever we can experience through our ...
by from_Origin
Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:28 pm
Forum: Doctrines
Topic: can humans BE God?
Replies: 290
Views: 132853

Re: Noor

shamsu wrote: Imammat nu Noor = Farmans

Aly nu Noor = Bol

He who is above all else = He who is above all else


Shams

Isn't Imammat's Noor the very same Aly's Noor? If so, then Imam's Noor is Bol (as well as Farman), such as Aly's Noor is Bol (and Farman).