Astrology

[kmaherali]

Did al Hallaj influenced hid surroundings. He was martyred. Even his spiritual guide Junaid Baghdadi left him.

He not only influenced his surroundings but his martyrdom has inspired generations of mystics and philosophers including Louis Massignon

[swamidada]

Did al Hallaj influenced hid surroundings. He was martyred. Even his spiritual guide Junaid Baghdadi left him.

He not only influenced his surroundings but his martyrdom has inspired generations of mystics and philosophers including Louis Massignon

There are many sufis who call Hallaj as 'Zubtadul aouliya' means butter of sufi aouliya (sufi saints), others cursed him being crossing the red line. Louis Massignon compared him with Joan of Arc.

[swamidada]

Mostly The Prophets and The Imams, already elevated souls usually show such kind of miracles. Haven't read in any history or in any article that any human being has split the moon or the sun.

Miracles are possible for any elevated soul.

I do not deny miracles. But heavy duty miracles are shown only by Prophets and Imams, like splitting of moon or rising sun from west. Every miracle should have some background and reasoning, how to explain and satisfy youth.

[swamidada]

Modern youth are smarter than previous generations. Youth argued scientifically, if sun tilt half degree up or down what will happen to planet earth. Question was valid. Missionary first gave some unreasonable answers, then said you people suppose not to ask such questions in dharma and finally said," Oh this anecdote has inner and esoteric meaning (as you usually do), you won't understand".

MHI's message:

"An institution dedicated to proceeding beyond known limits must be committed to independent thinking. In a university scholars engage both orthodox and unorthodox ideas, seeking truth and understanding wherever they may be found."(CONVOCATION ADDRESS ON THE OCCASION OF THE 10th ANNIVERSARY OF THE AGA KHAN UNIVERSITY - 1994-11-19)

In my opinion ideas based on miraculous phenomena are part of unorthodox ideas alluded to in the above quote.

I think in the above message by MHI, he is explaining in general terms of independent thinking of university scholars, either way to get truth by following orthodox or unorthodox ways in science, arts, philosophy, IT and so on. He has not indicated about religion or spiritualism. In religion or spiritualism adepts are not independent.They need guidance from Prophets, Imams, Pirs, Murshids, or Saints.

[kmaherali]

I do not deny miracles. But heavy duty miracles are shown only by Prophets and Imams, like splitting of moon or rising sun from west. Every miracle should have some background and reasoning, how to explain and satisfy youth.

The youths have to be made aware that not all phenomena can be explained purely by rational and scientific means. For example the pyramids exist in Egypt and were created somehow. Yet there is no scientific explanation about their creation.

We have to trust authoritative sources in this regard. All answers will be available upon spiritual advancement through Ibadat, until then you have to trust the Pirs and the Imams.

[kmaherali]

I think in the above message by MHI, he is explaining in general terms of independent thinking of university scholars, either way to get truth by following orthodox or unorthodox ways in science, arts, philosophy, IT and so on. He has not indicated about religion or spiritualism.

In Islam there is no dichotomy between the material and the spiritual aspects. Knowledge in Islam encompasses all aspects. Orthodox means something that has been established, is conventional and generally accepted such as science and rationality. Unorthodox means something that is not conventional such as knowledge through spiritual advancement which is nevertheless real.

In the same speech MHI further stated:

For a Muslim university it is appropriate to see learning and knowledge as a continuing acknowledgement of Allah's magnificence.

https://www.akdn.org/speech/his-highnes ... ry-karachi

Hence in every aspect of knowledge whether it is secular or religious Allah's magnificence is to be acknowledged

In religion or spiritualism adepts are not independent.They need guidance from Prophets, Imams, Pirs, Murshids, or Saints.

The adepts are independent, it is only those who have not yet become adepts need the guidance of the adepts.

[swamidada]

I think in the above message by MHI, he is explaining in general terms of independent thinking of university scholars, either way to get truth by following orthodox or unorthodox ways in science, arts, philosophy, IT and so on. He has not indicated about religion or spiritualism.

I:

In religion or spiritualism adepts are not independent.They need guidance from Prophets, Imams, Pirs, Murshids, or Saints.

The adepts are independent, it is only those who have not yet become adepts need the guidance of the adepts.

There are ups, downs, pits, bumps, and worldly debris in the path of adept, no matter how highly or deeply skillful he is. He needs further guidance for advancement and protection from satanic influences and attacks. He needs protection from true guide.
PIR SADARDIN PAKARI BHAHEIN BHAV SAGAR UTARIYA RE..

[swamidada]

I do not deny miracles. But heavy duty miracles are shown only by Prophets and Imams, like splitting of moon or rising sun from west. Every miracle should have some background and reasoning, how to explain and satisfy youth.

The youths have to be made aware that not all phenomena can be explained purely by rational and scientific means. For example the pyramids exist in Egypt and were created somehow. Yet there is no scientific explanation about their creation.

In Biblical times and before the height of humans is quoted 100+ feet.
The average height of men during the time of the Old Testament was between 166.66 cm and 171.66 cm and average height of men during the time of the New Testament was between 167.16 cm and 172.16 cm.

Ubayy b. Ka'b said: Your father Adam was as tall as a very tall palm, that is, 60 cubits (approximately 29 meters).

In other tradition it is quoted 1500 feet.

When people were so tall and strong in those days, they were able to lift heavy stones and made pyramids not only in Egypt but around other places too.

[kmaherali]

In Biblical times and before the height of humans is quoted 100+ feet.
The average height of men during the time of the Old Testament was between 166.66 cm and 171.66 cm and average height of men during the time of the New Testament was between 167.16 cm and 172.16 cm.

Can you provide references?166.66 cm = 66 inches abut 5.5 feet. This is normal size for men. How can it be 100+ feet ?

[kmaherali]

There are ups, downs, pits, bumps, and worldly debris in the path of adept, no matter how highly or deeply skillful he is. He needs further guidance for advancement and protection from satanic influences and attacks. He needs protection from true guide.
PIR SADARDIN PAKARI BHAHEIN BHAV SAGAR UTARIYA RE..

An adept is the master himself. He does not need to be guided by anyone else.

[swamidada]

In Biblical times and before the height of humans is quoted 100+ feet.
The average height of men during the time of the Old Testament was between 166.66 cm and 171.66 cm and average height of men during the time of the New Testament was between 167.16 cm and 172.16 cm.

Can you provide references?166.66 cm = 66 inches abut 5.5 feet. This is normal size for men. How can it be 100+ feet ?

Your calculation is right, I had 60 cubits in my mind.

Narrated by Abu Hurayrah:

“Allah created Adam and he was sixty cubits tall. Then He said, ‘Go and greet those angels and listen to how they greet you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your progeny.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3336; Muslim, 7092

[swamidada]

How many feet is 60 cubits?

Conversions Table
30 Cubits to Feet = 45 1,000 Cubits to Feet = 1500
40 Cubits to Feet = 60 10,000 Cubits to Feet = 15000
50 Cubits to Feet = 75 100,000 Cubits to Feet = 150000
60 Cubits to Feet = 90 1,000,000 Cubits to Feet = 1500000

Cubits to Feet | Kyle's Converter

Conversions Table
1 Feet to Cubits = 0.6667 70 Feet to Cubits = 46.6667
2 Feet to Cubits = 1.3333 80 Feet to Cubits = 53.3333
3 Feet to Cubits = 2 90 Feet to Cubits = 60
4 Feet to Cubits = 2.6667 100 Feet to Cubits = 66.6667

Feet to Cubits | Kyle's Convert

[swamidada]

There are ups, downs, pits, bumps, and worldly debris in the path of adept, no matter how highly or deeply skillful he is. He needs further guidance for advancement and protection from satanic influences and attacks. He needs protection from true guide.
PIR SADARDIN PAKARI BHAHEIN BHAV SAGAR UTARIYA RE..

An adept is the master himself. He does not need to be guided by anyone else.

So according to your understanding Imam is an adept and followers are not because they are not skillful of high caliber.

[kmaherali]

Narrated by Abu Hurayrah:

“Allah created Adam and he was sixty cubits tall. Then He said, ‘Go and greet those angels and listen to how they greet you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your progeny.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3336; Muslim, 7092

How will you explain this to the youth of today who are as you said smarter. Is there any scientific or archaeological evidence of giant remains, or giant caves?

As we all know hadiths are hadiths and can never be relied upon.

Also note that the pyramids were not constructed in the time of Adam. They are relatively recent - 4000- 6000 years old. At that time there were no giants!

[kmaherali]

So according to your understanding Imam is an adept and followers are not because they are not skillful of high caliber.

Yes, that is the basis of the relationship between a murid and the Murshid. The Imam is the pure and perfect, the murid is the impure one. As per constitution: "The Imam's Ta'lim lights the murids' path to spiritual enlightenment and vision."

There is a verse of moti venti which states:

ejee saamee naareeyu(n) tamaaree ati ghannee, muj sareekhee laakho laakh
tame chho alakh neera(n)jan, ame chhee-e dhullee khaak
maher karo..................................................18

Lord, there are countless maidens for you,
and there are hundreds of thousands like me.
You are the undescriptible and unseen and I am like dust particle.

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/22727

ejee satgur paaras ane munivar traa(m)baa ne
bhette to sovan hoy ek jeeyo................................13

O momins: The True Guide is like the philosopher's stone
and the followers are like copper. When the copper comes
into contact with the philosopher's stone, it becomes gold.
(momins become transformed when they come into contact with the Imaam).

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23110

[swamidada]

Narrated by Abu Hurayrah:

“Allah created Adam and he was sixty cubits tall. Then He said, ‘Go and greet those angels and listen to how they greet you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your progeny.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3336; Muslim, 7092

How will you explain this to the youth of today who are as you said smarter. Is there any scientific or archaeological evidence of giant remains, or giant caves?

As we all know hadiths are hadiths and can never be relied upon.

Also note that the pyramids were not constructed in the time of Adam. They are relatively recent - 4000- 6000 years old. At that time there were no giants!

There is a beautiful couplet said by late Parveen Shakir;

DIN KEY WAQT JUGNU KO PARAKHNA CHAAHEIN
HAMAREY DAUR KEY BACHEY CHALAAK HO GAIE

No doubt young generation is smarter than previous one. Let me ask you, what was the height of a man in Dinosaur times?
What was the height of warriors in Maha Bharata?
If God made Adam in His image and you say Adam was around 5.5 feet means God's height should be the same?
What was the height of people before the great storm at Prophet Noah's time?
According to christian, and Islamic narrations Adam was around 6000 years back. Pyramids existed before era of Phir'auns, they had ownership of Pyramids and they used them to serve their purpose.

[swamidada]

So according to your understanding Imam is an adept and followers are not because they are not skillful of high caliber.

Yes, that is the basis of the relationship between a murid and the Murshid.

Is it appropriate to use word ADEPT for Imam?

[kmaherali]

No doubt young generation is smarter than previous one. Let me ask you, what was the height of a man in Dinosaur times?
What was the height of warriors in Maha Bharata?
If God made Adam in His image and you say Adam was around 5.5 feet means God's height should be the same?
What was the height of people before the great storm at Prophet Noah's time?
According to christian, and Islamic narrations Adam was around 6000 years back. Pyramids existed before era of Phir'auns, they had ownership of Pyramids and they used them to serve their purpose.

There is no archaeological evidence of the existence of giants unless you can provide one. The image is not the same as the object. Your photo image is 5 cm does it mean you are 5 cm? Are you going to tell our youth that the first man arose 6000 years ago when the latest scientific evidence is contrary to it?

MSMS in his Memoirs says:

First, however, we must ask ourselves why this final and consummate appearance of the Divine Will was granted to mankind, and what were its causes. All Islamic schools of thought accept it as a fundamental principle that for centuries, for thousands of years before the advent of Mohammed, there arose from time to time messengers, illumined by Divine Grace, for and among those races of the earth which had sufficiently advanced intellectually to comprehend such a message. Thus Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all the Prophets of Israel are universally accepted by Islam. Muslims indeed know no limitation merely to the Prophets of Israel; they are ready to admit that there were similar Divinely inspired messengers in other countriesGautama Buddha, Shri Krishna and Shri Ram in India, Socrates in Greece, the wise man of China and many other sages and saints among peoples and civilizations, trace of which we have lost. Thus man's soul has never been left without a specially inspired messenger from the soul that sustains, embraces and is the universe.

http://www.ismaili.net/Source/0016b.html

Do you think that the above statement implies that Adam arose 6000 years ago?

[kmaherali]

Is it appropriate to use word ADEPT for Imam?

Adept means very skilled or proficient at something. Hence the Imam is adept in all matters. References of expert in the Ginans.

hojire maaraa hansaa,
teddaavo gunn vanta maaline,
te to jadmudd thi kaadhi naakhe ji.............................9

O my soul! Call for an expert (gunnvant) Gardner who will pull it (the creeper) out of it's very root.[Here the Gardner is the Perfect Guide - Murshid-e-kaamil who will remove all the lust and greed if followed devotedly and replace them with a higher life.]

Eji darshan chhe have jaganta
ane shodiliyo gun vantaa
aj kal das ma(n) he sami aaviya
var aal vaa ne anant. kroriyu taara vaa ne anant

Which translates as:

Now in the awakened state, is the time for the Vision (enlightenment), and seek out the Expert (Guide). At present the Lord has come as the tenth manifestation, to be a Husband (var, to give guidance, protection and eternal life). He has come to liberate the crores and grant them eternal life.

[swamidada]

No doubt young generation is smarter than previous one. Let me ask you, what was the height of a man in Dinosaur times?
What was the height of warriors in Maha Bharata?
If God made Adam in His image and you say Adam was around 5.5 feet means God's height should be the same?
What was the height of people before the great storm at Prophet Noah's time?
According to christian, and Islamic narrations Adam was around 6000 years back. Pyramids existed before era of Phir'auns, they had ownership of Pyramids and they used them to serve their purpose.

There is no archaeological evidence of the existence of giants unless you can provide one. The image is not the same as the object. Your photo image is 5 cm does it mean you are 5 cm? Are you going to tell our youth that the first man arose 6000 years ago when the latest scientific evidence is contrary to it?

I gave few examples but you did not paid attention, for example;
what was the height of a man in Dinosaur times?
What was the height of warriors in Maha Bharata?
What was the height of people before the great storm at Prophet Noah's time?
I gave example of Islamic narration of 60 cubids.
Still archaeological excavation is going on in different parts of the world. If they found huge bodies of dinosaurs, then they will find huge and tall bodies of human beings. Hindu mythology is evidence. Archaeologists have not dug deep at snow parts of world.

[swamidada]

No doubt young generation is smarter than previous one. Let me ask you, what was the height of a man in Dinosaur times?
What was the height of warriors in Maha Bharata?
If God made Adam in His image and you say Adam was around 5.5 feet means God's height should be the same?
What was the height of people before the great storm at Prophet Noah's time?
According to christian, and Islamic narrations Adam was around 6000 years back. Pyramids existed before era of Phir'auns, they had ownership of Pyramids and they used them to serve their purpose.

The image is not the same as the object. Your photo image is 5 cm does it mean you are 5 cm?

Let me put kmaherali in front of a mirror. Mirror won't lie. The mirror will show the same image i.e 5 feet ten inches kmaherali.

[swamidada]

Is it appropriate to use word ADEPT for Imam?

Adept means very skilled or proficient at something. Hence the Imam is adept in all matters.

According to your understanding Imam being an adept, then what about Hasan Basri, Junaid Bhagdadi, Ba Yazid Bistami and so on, long list of sufi saints, they were also adepts. Imam's position is higher than an adept.

[kmaherali]

Let me put kmaherali in front of a mirror. Mirror won't lie. The mirror will show the same image i.e 5 feet ten inches kmaherali.

God is limitless, does it mean man is also limitless physically? Man created in the image of God means, man has the capacity to become God spiritually and act like him.

[kmaherali]

Still archaeological excavation is going on in different parts of the world. If they found huge bodies of dinosaurs, then they will find huge and tall bodies of human beings. Hindu mythology is evidence. Archaeologists have not dug deep at snow parts of world.

We have archaeological remains of humans going back thousands of years. There have been no giants so far! In any case your assertion of the age of humans being 6000 years is wrong and hence the rest of whatever you say has no context.

[kmaherali]

According to your understanding Imam being an adept, then what about Hasan Basri, Junaid Bhagdadi, Ba Yazid Bistami and so on, long list of sufi saints, they were also adepts. Imam's position is higher than an adept.

The difference between the Imam and other adepts is that the other adepts became adepts through Ibadat , whereas the Imam is an adept by birth.

[swamidada]

Still archaeological excavation is going on in different parts of the world. If they found huge bodies of dinosaurs, then they will find huge and tall bodies of human beings. Hindu mythology is evidence. Archaeologists have not dug deep at snow parts of world.

We have archaeological remains of humans going back thousands of years. There have been no giants so far! In any case your assertion of the age of humans being 6000 years is wrong and hence the rest of whatever you say has no context.

Manorama C, Read Valmiki Ramayana, Adhyathma Ramayana
Updated May 15, 2019

Ravana belongs to Kritha Yuga. According to Yuga Lakshanna, (quality of Yuga or yugadharma) Ravana was approximately 1 to 8 kilometres height that we can't imagine today. Their heights were in yojanas. One yojanam is equal to 8 miles. For e.g., Vriththasura’s height was 300 yojanas and 100 yojanas width according to uththara kanda of Ramayana. The weight of Indra is ten times to the earth. This is very clear in Vedas also as well as in Puranas. And Ravana’s age was some lakhs years, while Rama’s was of 39 or 43 years (12 or 16 + 13 +14) when Rama killed Ravana. It was also told by Sitha to Ravana in Aranya kanda of Ramayana. Rama’s height might be 96 inches. Hanuma also discussed with Bhima about the heights as per Yuga dharma in Mahabharata. He told Bhima that he could not watch the original height of Hanumad with naked eyes.

[swamidada]

According to your understanding Imam being an adept, then what about Hasan Basri, Junaid Bhagdadi, Ba Yazid Bistami and so on, long list of sufi saints, they were also adepts. Imam's position is higher than an adept.

The difference between the Imam and other adepts is that the other adepts became adepts through Ibadat , whereas the Imam is an adept by birth.

You wrote," whereas the Imam is an adept by birth", according to you Imam being adept means skillful, but MSMS was caught stealing books from bookshop and was caught shows he was not skillful in that field. I dislike to use word adept for Imam.

[swamidada]

Let me put kmaherali in front of a mirror. Mirror won't lie. The mirror will show the same image i.e 5 feet ten inches kmaherali.

God is limitless, does it mean man is also limitless physically? Man created in the image of God means, man has the capacity to become God spiritually and act like him.

There is a sufi saying that God being limitless can contain in the heart of a momin.

[swamidada]

Let me put kmaherali in front of a mirror. Mirror won't lie. The mirror will show the same image i.e 5 feet ten inches kmaherali.

Man created in the image of God means, man has the capacity to become God spiritually and act like him.

You mentioned,"man has the capacity to become God spiritually and act like Him". Please watch movie "GOD TUSI GREAT HO" (may be you have) of Salman Khan. You will realize how difficult it is to deal with human beings. A man can claim himself God but to run and control universe is a different story.

[kmaherali]

You wrote," whereas the Imam is an adept by birth", according to you Imam being adept means skillful, but MSMS was caught stealing books from bookshop and was caught shows he was not skillful in that field. I dislike to use word adept for Imam.

You cannot judge the actions of the Imam. The criteria of what is virtuous and what is sinful does not apply to the actions of the Imam. Remember the story of khidr in the Qur'an.