MHI visit to East Africa October 2017 (Tanzania and Uganda)
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zulekha786
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the international jamat has made our didar ritual to be a joke. mowla had specifically told us not to travel to uganda and tanzania for did and why did we do. the exact opposite and now the anti ismailis are making fun of our rituals. just now i saw a Facebook post that said: Actual batini hajj of the ismaili for a five second glimpse of aga khan. this is how ismaili lined up by council differentiating them between local and international jamat around 4000 jamat from tanazania in diamond jubilee hall which has about 8000 capacity. the rest were lined up outside standing in the streets and was discriminating between local and international jamat. these 2000 ismailis were kept outside to show how crazy the ismailis are for aga khan and to create an illusion to the world that we have a large following that worships him. this propaganda happens at every single deedar.
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Ya Ali MADAD:
Zahiri didar Of Hazar Imam is privelage for Ismailis be it even for few seconds ,nevertheless if they were strong in their ibaddat they could get didar at will.
The 2000 of ziddi ( stubborn) Ismailis were from Kenya just 6 hours of drive to Dares salaam.They had b
Nothing to loose ,whether they would be accepted in durbar hall last minute if not then get opportunity outside it.
Saying in Gujarati Full nahi to full ki pakdi hi sahi.
The order maintained at Uganda and Tanzania will now deter others to not to take chance with mid haul or long haul flight at a cost.
Zahiri didar Of Hazar Imam is privelage for Ismailis be it even for few seconds ,nevertheless if they were strong in their ibaddat they could get didar at will.
The 2000 of ziddi ( stubborn) Ismailis were from Kenya just 6 hours of drive to Dares salaam.They had b
Nothing to loose ,whether they would be accepted in durbar hall last minute if not then get opportunity outside it.
Saying in Gujarati Full nahi to full ki pakdi hi sahi.
The order maintained at Uganda and Tanzania will now deter others to not to take chance with mid haul or long haul flight at a cost.
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zulekha786
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nuseri wrote:Ya Ali MADAD:
Zahiri didar Of Hazar Imam is privelage for Ismailis be it even for few seconds ,nevertheless if they were strong in their ibaddat they could get didar at will.
The 2000 of ziddi ( stubborn) Ismailis were from Kenya just 6 hours of drive to Dares salaam.They had b
Nothing to loose ,whether they would be accepted in durbar hall last minute if not then get opportunity outside it.
Saying in Gujarati Full nahi to full ki pakdi hi sahi.
The order maintained at Uganda and Tanzania will now deter others to not to take chance with mid haul or long haul flight at a cost.
I agree its a privilege but these ziddi ismailis should realize that they have done damage to our image. as you can see anti ismailis are now using it as fire. weather mowla said no or the leaders decided this on their own they should of just stayed put. These ziddi ismailis have embarrassed us.
To zulekha786:Ya Ali Madad.
I will make an observation from a different facet.
MAA BAAP LAAD AUR PYAAR BACCHO KO KABHI ZIDDI BANAA DETA HAI.
Firstly there was an accouncement that didars entry would be for local jamat only.not a legal order as to not to travel to that country.
Those who went or where there for any other reasons went on their own expence and chance.
As this diamond jubilee year and his first visit & Hazar Imam is now over 80 years old ,passionate Ismailis ( count them as ziddi) do desire to have glimpse of him.
If well dressed suited Ismaili form a Strong crowd outside the venue ,It also send message that a
There are large number of devotees of MHI.
IF MHI visits UN for award and if few hundred Ismailis are there outside,it shows our strength and affection for him to the outsiders& the world,
As long they are law abiding to stand on the pavement etc.
So the will and desire of a momin to be even 200% ziddi/stubborn can be a pain ,concetn to Any board,council, leader to stop him/her to see their Imam.
Remember Nuseri broke the direct order/farman of Hz Ali in person directly said to him.He broke it 70 times.His status is now history of conviction for us.
Eva Eva laad ladave
to momin shaa matee ziddi naa thay?
there are two sides to an issue,I side with the truth.
I will make an observation from a different facet.
MAA BAAP LAAD AUR PYAAR BACCHO KO KABHI ZIDDI BANAA DETA HAI.
Firstly there was an accouncement that didars entry would be for local jamat only.not a legal order as to not to travel to that country.
Those who went or where there for any other reasons went on their own expence and chance.
As this diamond jubilee year and his first visit & Hazar Imam is now over 80 years old ,passionate Ismailis ( count them as ziddi) do desire to have glimpse of him.
If well dressed suited Ismaili form a Strong crowd outside the venue ,It also send message that a
There are large number of devotees of MHI.
IF MHI visits UN for award and if few hundred Ismailis are there outside,it shows our strength and affection for him to the outsiders& the world,
As long they are law abiding to stand on the pavement etc.
So the will and desire of a momin to be even 200% ziddi/stubborn can be a pain ,concetn to Any board,council, leader to stop him/her to see their Imam.
Remember Nuseri broke the direct order/farman of Hz Ali in person directly said to him.He broke it 70 times.His status is now history of conviction for us.
Eva Eva laad ladave
to momin shaa matee ziddi naa thay?
there are two sides to an issue,I side with the truth.
Interesting. Where you there when Mowla said that? Was there a Talika read none that the Jamat knows. Stop the paranoia and accept that some leaders have stopped Didar to the Jamat, the highest of the sin committed since Adam disobeyed.zulekha786 wrote:the international jamat has made our didar ritual to be a joke. mowla had specifically told us not to travel to uganda and tanzania
I can guarantee you that next Didar, there will be more international Jamat in the street than this one. Jamat's love for the Imam has no borders. It is enemies of our faith who try to divide the "One Jamat" of Hazar Imam. Yes this is an expression used by our Imam.
Instead of putting oil in the fire, as do all the wahabis hiding in Georgia by taking a false identity as you did, go and pray and stop the fitna. We Ismailis will sort out our own problems..
AS RECEIVED - TESTOMONY FROM EAST AFRICA VISIT
Ya Ali Madat.
First of all let’s offer our humble shukhrana in the huzur of our beloved Imam that he blessed us with didar in Uganda.
This is a long draft but has meaningful remarks and facts. Please read the whole draft. It has to do with each and everyone involved and about our respected president (though he has lost all his respect).
But as a matter of fact I don’t know whether it’s a matter of pride for Uganda Council President for the first diamond jubilee didar or a shame because of people like us being part of Uganda Jamat were not inside the Darbar Hall.
An old woman was standing next to me had lived here more than 10 years and gone to India for medical reasons. Came back now and was denied the didar.
An old couple comes to Uganda every year but was denied the didar.
Other hand, investors without any record gets Darbar entry cards. Not only that he brings his whole family. Donors bring their whole family. Canadian citizens who are Ugandan passport holders get Darbar cards. Bapa says use your brain. But our council President does not have brains to use here that indian/Pakistani law does not permit to have dual citizenship. Hence those who have valid status here should be given permission to bring in their parents. How many would have come? We have experience of didar involving and serving Jamat of 5000 plus. Probably it was President’s first didar that’s why he had no guts to allow international Jamat.
Cases have been approved by looking at the color and faces. You have done discrimination. Your registration team was compromised. Favoritism was done. Our passport copies are lying unsecured wherever they are. They can be misused. I’d rather go to my lawyer and do an affidavit that my passport copies can be misused by council because they have kept and they posses no rights to keep it.
There are many such cases like that, depends on you how much patience you have to listen to all of them.
No care for international jamat. Did not plan for mowla’s welcome / farewell at the airport by Jamat. International Jamat deserved that atleast. I was told that the theme of Diamond Jubilee is “INCLUSIVENESS”. This is how you included our old parents in this diamond jubilee by disrespecting and depriving them of mowlas didar. Who the hell are you to do that?
Mowla spent 55 mins in his room and 45 mins in Darbar. That has never happened before. I’m sure our president must have got proper treatment from hazar Imam because of the act of stupidity.
What’s the use of this dummy president who cannot even defend the self esteem and rights of our own Jamat? You have lost the respect and right to be our president.
By saying sorry he thinks he can bring back the time and arrange didar for our old parents? Many of them would not even live to see that day.
Mr Minaz Jamal this is not your company despec which you run it by your own rules. You are responsible and answerable for this. Our mowla has appointed you to take care of his murids. This is how you take care of us? you have no right to play with our emotions.
You make Yasmeen Head Of review team. How come she is even in the Council?
Now a days convicted people who have served jail terms are in Council. Do you know what im talking about or if not then just google it. I challenge you, If you are man enough, come forward and appoint an independent body to start investigations and audit the whole system. Next moment you will find yourself stripped in front of the whole Jamat because of what you have done.
Announce in Jamatkhana that you are available for one day to listen to us and come with your registration team with all the forms. We want to see the forms of these people who entered in Darbar and we will show you what you have done to us.
And finally one question to our Jamat, kindly answer sincerely. Are you people happy with this deedar? Are we really one Jamat? If you are a true ismaili, feel the pain of those who missed the deedar though they qualified and forward this to all. Because our loser president will not let Aiglemont know what has happened to save his post and repeat term. But you can send to all and let Aiglemont know what have we gone through.
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A pained murid Of Imam who did not get didar.
FWD AS RECEIVED
Ya Ali Madat.
First of all let’s offer our humble shukhrana in the huzur of our beloved Imam that he blessed us with didar in Uganda.
This is a long draft but has meaningful remarks and facts. Please read the whole draft. It has to do with each and everyone involved and about our respected president (though he has lost all his respect).
But as a matter of fact I don’t know whether it’s a matter of pride for Uganda Council President for the first diamond jubilee didar or a shame because of people like us being part of Uganda Jamat were not inside the Darbar Hall.
An old woman was standing next to me had lived here more than 10 years and gone to India for medical reasons. Came back now and was denied the didar.
An old couple comes to Uganda every year but was denied the didar.
Other hand, investors without any record gets Darbar entry cards. Not only that he brings his whole family. Donors bring their whole family. Canadian citizens who are Ugandan passport holders get Darbar cards. Bapa says use your brain. But our council President does not have brains to use here that indian/Pakistani law does not permit to have dual citizenship. Hence those who have valid status here should be given permission to bring in their parents. How many would have come? We have experience of didar involving and serving Jamat of 5000 plus. Probably it was President’s first didar that’s why he had no guts to allow international Jamat.
Cases have been approved by looking at the color and faces. You have done discrimination. Your registration team was compromised. Favoritism was done. Our passport copies are lying unsecured wherever they are. They can be misused. I’d rather go to my lawyer and do an affidavit that my passport copies can be misused by council because they have kept and they posses no rights to keep it.
There are many such cases like that, depends on you how much patience you have to listen to all of them.
No care for international jamat. Did not plan for mowla’s welcome / farewell at the airport by Jamat. International Jamat deserved that atleast. I was told that the theme of Diamond Jubilee is “INCLUSIVENESS”. This is how you included our old parents in this diamond jubilee by disrespecting and depriving them of mowlas didar. Who the hell are you to do that?
Mowla spent 55 mins in his room and 45 mins in Darbar. That has never happened before. I’m sure our president must have got proper treatment from hazar Imam because of the act of stupidity.
What’s the use of this dummy president who cannot even defend the self esteem and rights of our own Jamat? You have lost the respect and right to be our president.
By saying sorry he thinks he can bring back the time and arrange didar for our old parents? Many of them would not even live to see that day.
Mr Minaz Jamal this is not your company despec which you run it by your own rules. You are responsible and answerable for this. Our mowla has appointed you to take care of his murids. This is how you take care of us? you have no right to play with our emotions.
You make Yasmeen Head Of review team. How come she is even in the Council?
Now a days convicted people who have served jail terms are in Council. Do you know what im talking about or if not then just google it. I challenge you, If you are man enough, come forward and appoint an independent body to start investigations and audit the whole system. Next moment you will find yourself stripped in front of the whole Jamat because of what you have done.
Announce in Jamatkhana that you are available for one day to listen to us and come with your registration team with all the forms. We want to see the forms of these people who entered in Darbar and we will show you what you have done to us.
And finally one question to our Jamat, kindly answer sincerely. Are you people happy with this deedar? Are we really one Jamat? If you are a true ismaili, feel the pain of those who missed the deedar though they qualified and forward this to all. Because our loser president will not let Aiglemont know what has happened to save his post and repeat term. But you can send to all and let Aiglemont know what have we gone through.
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A pained murid Of Imam who did not get didar.
FWD AS RECEIVED
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mahebubchatur
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As received
Letter to Leaders and all the Jamats
Do you not realise what you have done in Kampala and Dar es Salaam ?
You blocked visiting Murids from entering the Deedar Prayer Hall, to offer the most important worship, Ibadat, prayers, and submissions to and in the presence of Hazar Imam.
This is worst than blocking a visiting murid to come into any local Jamat Khanna for prayers Ibadat & submission to MHI.
If those appointed to serve the Jamat are not respecting what Hazar Imam says, and or the Jamat, then they can be removed and replaced under our constitution. A majority of murids need to agree, come together, and vote them out. Hazar Imam has given clear directions in Farmans and our constitution. They now should.
Therefore it is up to all murids to do what Imam has asked them to do. If they don’t then they can only blame themselves. Not Hazar Imam or the controlling few.
Therefore anyone saying that Hazar Imam is allowing anyone or group to remain in control, has not read and understood what MHI (and Imams), have asked all murids to do (in our constitution and directions which are collectively, called Farmans)
True murids who recognise and understand the Noor of MHI will do what they are asked to do in Farmans by their Imam (who in our prayers we also know and call as our Pir, Sat Gur, Mawla, Sami, Noor Mawlana, Ya Shah, Ya Ali, Shahebul Zaman, Dhani Salamat Datar, Awal, Akhir, Zahir, Batin, Noorun Allah Noor. Hahul Kayum, Hai Zinda, & Kayam Paya)
Therefore “ True Murids” would and should never knowingly ;
2. block their Hazar Imam from murids nor
3. block Murids from their Hazar Imam nor
4. block Hazar Imams Farmans from murids.
5. Block Murids coming to the most important and dedicated “prayer - Ibadat Darbar hall” for submission, prayer and paying homage to Noor Mawlana Hazar Imam.
Imams have said any murids who knowingly do or allow the above , are an enemy of our faith and so murids should come together to vote them out from positions of control or authority in the Jamats constitutional entities.
I hope all “true murids” including Mukhis and Kamadia Sahebans, will come together and do what Hazar Imam has said in Farmans
Please share and let us all not block or allow others to block Farmans or block Murids. All murids need to welcome all visiting murids (as MHI has said)
Imams and Quran day Deedar is Ibadat and in the Ismaili muslim faith, of the highest importance because this Ibadat is in the presence of Hazar Imam with Mukhi abd Kamadia Sahebans).
Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah also said, “I am the Light (noor) of both Ali and Prophet.” (Bombay, 1st September, 1885). And most clearly, the Prophet said, “Ina nazaro ila wajah’e Aliyun ibadatan” means, “Verily, to look at Ali is also Ibadat.” The Imam of the Time is the Face of God on earth, and his didar denotes the didar of God. The Holy Prophet also said, “And God is now as He was before.” (Wallahu al’ana kama kana)
The Koran says, “And you see them looking towards you, yet they do not see” (7:198). It implies that there was much difference in beholding the Prophet between the believers and unbelievers.
Qadi Noman (d. 973) writes, “When we stand in their presence, we should be respectful to them as we respect God at the time of our prayers. God says, “Stand before God devoutedly.” (2:238) Hence, when one stands in the presence of the Imams one should do so with the full faith that his standing with reverence will bring him near to God.” (Kitab-ul-Himma fi Adabi Ataba-el-A’emma, tr. by Prof. Jawad Muscati, Karachi, 1950, p. 112). He also writes, “It is not the Ibadat to look at the Imam by mistake or carelessness, but it is Ibadat to see the Imam with the sight of reflection and contemplation.”
Letter to Leaders and all the Jamats
Do you not realise what you have done in Kampala and Dar es Salaam ?
You blocked visiting Murids from entering the Deedar Prayer Hall, to offer the most important worship, Ibadat, prayers, and submissions to and in the presence of Hazar Imam.
This is worst than blocking a visiting murid to come into any local Jamat Khanna for prayers Ibadat & submission to MHI.
If those appointed to serve the Jamat are not respecting what Hazar Imam says, and or the Jamat, then they can be removed and replaced under our constitution. A majority of murids need to agree, come together, and vote them out. Hazar Imam has given clear directions in Farmans and our constitution. They now should.
Therefore it is up to all murids to do what Imam has asked them to do. If they don’t then they can only blame themselves. Not Hazar Imam or the controlling few.
Therefore anyone saying that Hazar Imam is allowing anyone or group to remain in control, has not read and understood what MHI (and Imams), have asked all murids to do (in our constitution and directions which are collectively, called Farmans)
True murids who recognise and understand the Noor of MHI will do what they are asked to do in Farmans by their Imam (who in our prayers we also know and call as our Pir, Sat Gur, Mawla, Sami, Noor Mawlana, Ya Shah, Ya Ali, Shahebul Zaman, Dhani Salamat Datar, Awal, Akhir, Zahir, Batin, Noorun Allah Noor. Hahul Kayum, Hai Zinda, & Kayam Paya)
Therefore “ True Murids” would and should never knowingly ;
2. block their Hazar Imam from murids nor
3. block Murids from their Hazar Imam nor
4. block Hazar Imams Farmans from murids.
5. Block Murids coming to the most important and dedicated “prayer - Ibadat Darbar hall” for submission, prayer and paying homage to Noor Mawlana Hazar Imam.
Imams have said any murids who knowingly do or allow the above , are an enemy of our faith and so murids should come together to vote them out from positions of control or authority in the Jamats constitutional entities.
I hope all “true murids” including Mukhis and Kamadia Sahebans, will come together and do what Hazar Imam has said in Farmans
Please share and let us all not block or allow others to block Farmans or block Murids. All murids need to welcome all visiting murids (as MHI has said)
Imams and Quran day Deedar is Ibadat and in the Ismaili muslim faith, of the highest importance because this Ibadat is in the presence of Hazar Imam with Mukhi abd Kamadia Sahebans).
Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah also said, “I am the Light (noor) of both Ali and Prophet.” (Bombay, 1st September, 1885). And most clearly, the Prophet said, “Ina nazaro ila wajah’e Aliyun ibadatan” means, “Verily, to look at Ali is also Ibadat.” The Imam of the Time is the Face of God on earth, and his didar denotes the didar of God. The Holy Prophet also said, “And God is now as He was before.” (Wallahu al’ana kama kana)
The Koran says, “And you see them looking towards you, yet they do not see” (7:198). It implies that there was much difference in beholding the Prophet between the believers and unbelievers.
Qadi Noman (d. 973) writes, “When we stand in their presence, we should be respectful to them as we respect God at the time of our prayers. God says, “Stand before God devoutedly.” (2:238) Hence, when one stands in the presence of the Imams one should do so with the full faith that his standing with reverence will bring him near to God.” (Kitab-ul-Himma fi Adabi Ataba-el-A’emma, tr. by Prof. Jawad Muscati, Karachi, 1950, p. 112). He also writes, “It is not the Ibadat to look at the Imam by mistake or carelessness, but it is Ibadat to see the Imam with the sight of reflection and contemplation.”
Comparing the kind of happy testimonies we used to have for Golden Jubilee, it looks like the Diamond Jubilee felt short of Imam's and Jamat's expectation.
Mowlana Shah Karim is landing in the USA in an hour for the Award ceremony tomorrow. The Diamond Jubilee visit in Tanzania and Uganda is over. A new link will be open for the third East African country, Kenya, where Didar is expected, once the dates will be known. This section is closed.
Thanks to all who contributed and used this section in the past few weeks
Mowlana Shah Karim is landing in the USA in an hour for the Award ceremony tomorrow. The Diamond Jubilee visit in Tanzania and Uganda is over. A new link will be open for the third East African country, Kenya, where Didar is expected, once the dates will be known. This section is closed.
Thanks to all who contributed and used this section in the past few weeks
A very rundown version of the Uganda and Tanzania Farman was read in JK. Of course it was the "Authorised version" which was read, not the "accurate version"
Hazar Imam said he does not "edit" the Farmans and when Farmans have been changed in the past, it has hurt the Dai'is.
So who "authorised" the editing and the changing?
Hazar Imam said he does not "edit" the Farmans and when Farmans have been changed in the past, it has hurt the Dai'is.
So who "authorised" the editing and the changing?