Is Quran compilation complete?

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Shiraz wrote:Sister zznoor I respect your views but why give yourself a headache with all this 3D trignometry ??

We are on planet earth and we have a kaaba right here on earth...to those who wanna face kaaba and recite their prayers let them do so and to those who believe allah[swt] is everywhere and wish to recite their prayers facing anywhere, let them do it.
Admin wrote:Thanks God, we Ismaili always face our Qaba and we do not need any lesson in Trigonometry for that. We know who is our Qaba.
Quran is book to follow for all Muslims and we are asked to pray towards one qiblah only. We Muslims cannot follow our whims.

2:144
PICKTHAL: We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.

There is enough discussion about this somewhere else
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Admin wrote:Thanks God, we Ismaili always face our Qaba and we do not need any lesson in Trigonometry for that. We know who is our Qaba.
Do they have GPS beacon tied to the feet of their His holiness MHI?
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Please note that my specific question:

1. It is not of Kentucky shots

2.Of facing any shariati object from heaven,hell or earth.

3.Relating Imam with Quran.

The postings has again become with funny questions n round of jokes with some serious Ayats (unrelated to the main question).

It is being pulled towards Shairat practice of facing whomsoever.

Please re understand the main question n address it in the reasoning desired.

My expectation are high from all of you,please do not side track again.
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nuseri wrote:
Please re understand the main question n address it in the reasoning desired.

My expectation are high from all of you,please do not side track again.
Well then, we will have to go to the main questions by the author of this topic, noorani_786 on 22 Feb 2004 and stick our answers to one or more of 4 questions raised.

1. Is the Quran complete in all its entirety?

2. Have parts been left out from it?

3. Are all the messages in the Quran universal? Or were some of the messages applicable to that period of time in that specific context?

4. Does it even matter if Quran is or isn't complete since we have a Hazar Imam as our present living Quran?
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Ya Ali madad
The answer to the main topic is going to b incomplete till eternity.
That topic for debate purpose is almost closed like,same n same things is said again n again n again.

My question was related as majority without Imam read n observe Quran at Zahiri level.

The question is important because the new generation who will be educated seek answers to similar nature questions to parents,scholars n Al Waez.

Did you not notice a gen-next question asked by Admin?
I am still laughing over it. His question was well answered by todays scientific study and Quran was not needed for that answer.


:D :D :D :D :D
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nuseri wrote:Ya Ali madad
The answer to the main topic is going to b incomplete till eternity.
That topic for debate purpose is almost closed like,same n same things is said again n again n again.

My question was related as majority without Imam read n observe Quran at Zahiri level.

The question is important because the new generation who will be educated seek answers to similar nature questions to parents,scholars n Al Waez.

Did you not notice a gen-next question asked by Admin?
I am still laughing over it. His question was well answered by todays scientific study and Quran was not needed for that answer.


:D :D :D :D :D
Even then, let us each of us answer these 4 questions.

Of course, different people will have different answers to the same questions.

let me try to answer them with my limited knowledge. I am ready to change my views someone else's answers are more convincing to me.

1. Is the Quran complete in all its entirety?

MY ANS: Quran are the words uttered from the mouth of the Prophet.
The Prophet during his life time did not say "now the Quran is complete so i no longer will be delivering you the messages" or something to that effect.

If he did, then please, somebody should correct me.


2. Have parts been left out from it?

MY ANS: I strongly believe that the Prophet revealed what was supposed to be revealed.

053:001 By the Star when it plunges,
053:002 your comrade is not astray, neither errs,
053:003 nor speaks he out of caprice.
053:004 This is naught but a revelation revealed,
053:005 taught him by one Mighty in power,


3. Are all the messages in the Quran universal? Or were some of the messages applicable to that period of time in that specific context?

MY ANS: I dont know. On a Zaheri level, it might look so but then then we are batinis.

How ever sunnis do claim that some verses was time bounded, but then they understand verses on zaheri level only.......

they call it abrogated verses and they quote the below two verses to support their theory of Abrogated Verses.

002:106 And for whatever verse We abrogate or cast into oblivion, We bring a better or the like of it; know you not that God is powerful over everything?

016:101 And when We exchange a verse in the place of another verse and God knows very well what He is sending down -- they say, 'You are a mere forger!' Nay, but the most of them have no knowledge.

This theory Abrogated Verses was put by sunis, i think, because they could not answer as to how some verses were contradicting to each other and at at the same time Quran is claiming to contradiction-free revelation.

004:082 What, do they not ponder the Koran? If it had been from other than God surely they would have found in it much inconsistency.


4. Does it even matter if Quran is or isn't complete since we have a Hazar Imam as our present living Quran?

MY ANS: Since we have a Hazar Imam as our present living Quran, we have complete Quran.
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Does it even matter if Quran is or isn't complete since we have a Hazar Imam as our present living Quran?

MY ANS: Since we have a Hazar Imam as our present living Quran, we have complete Quran.
Good answer for Ismailies.
Stop carping about completeness of Quran, Qiblah, Salat/Namaaz, Fast/Roza in Ramadan and Hujj.
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To 2782:
Ya Ali madad.
Yaar Dua salami to do.

I do know about first 3 answers ,which is all very well said.

The one about stars has a sure shot Baatin maina,which I am studying.

Your 4th answer is cent percent right.

I admire n salute your grasp on Quran.I sincerely wish, as it is is very possible for Ismailis to understand the deeper meanings valid for all times along with academic grip and understanding you have of the Ayats.

Please just do not blinker yourself to Quran,we also have rich info in

Farmans,Ginan,Qasida,current affairs ,little of Science etc so you

participate in debates in most of them.

As a matter of fact you can find" ALI" in Christianity,which came before Quran thru Jesus Christ dying words naming his holy father n relationship
of Jesus Christ with GOD as his spiritual father ( not as his physical father).
One personal question,Have you taught of joining IIS in UK?.

I raised a fair question in this topic,as I felt it would not be necessary to open a new topic on it.

And with word Quran,the non Ismailis jump into fray first.

Then Starts 'BEHTI GANGA MEE HAATH SAAF KARLO".

"JAB BOLTLA QURAN HAI TO KITAB KI JAYAADA
FIKR MAT KARO,AUR KITAB ITNI BHI ASAAN NAHI"
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nuseri wrote:
Did you not notice a gen-next question asked by Admin?
I am still laughing over it. His question was well answered by todays scientific study and Quran was not needed for that answer.


:D :D :D :D :D

Thats the point, i think, admin wanted to point out.

Can Admin's question be answered from the book without needing today's scientific study ?

Surely we are lucky to be needing Hazar Imam's guidance on Quran rather than needing today's scientific study
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1. Is the Quran complete in all its entirety?

MY ANS: Quran are the words uttered from the mouth of the Prophet.
The Prophet during his life time did not say "now the Quran is complete so i no longer will be delivering you the messages" or something to that effect.

If he did, then please, somebody should correct me.
Quran 5:3
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Quran 5:3

Pickthall: Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swineflesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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So if Allah wants to send more Ayats to mankind, is there anyone capable of stoping him? And if he wants to send some other Ayats to inhabitants of other planetes in other galaxies, or to Jinns and souls of the universe, who is going to stop him? Is there greater power than Him?

When people make the mistake of confusing a physical book compiled by faillible humans after Allah decreted that "This day have I perfected your religion" with the Eternal spiritual Quran, there is nothing good which will come from this discussion except more confusion and people talking about different concepts though calling each one those different concepts as "Quran".
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zznoor said :
Do they have GPS beacon tied to the feet of their His holiness MHI?
Shia Imami Ismailis unlike other 71 sects of islam BELIEVE that god is anywhere and everywhere so the answer is a big NO ....Ismailis dont use GPS/COMPASS or what not because god is everywhere.

2:177

It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, who guard themselves against evil
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zznoor wrote:
1. Is the Quran complete in all its entirety?

MY ANS: Quran are the words uttered from the mouth of the Prophet.
The Prophet during his life time did not say "now the Quran is complete so i no longer will be delivering you the messages" or something to that effect.

If he did, then please, somebody should correct me.
Quran 5:3
thank you for you response......

part of the verse says that God had perfected the religion of Islam on that that particular day.

After this verse of perfection of religion on that that day, did the revelation stop ?

i mean was that the last verse delivered by the prophet ?
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a_27826 wrote:
zznoor wrote:
1. Is the Quran complete in all its entirety?

MY ANS: Quran are the words uttered from the mouth of the Prophet.
The Prophet during his life time did not say "now the Quran is complete so i no longer will be delivering you the messages" or something to that effect.

If he did, then please, somebody should correct me.
Quran 5:3
thank you for you response......

part of the verse says that God had perfected the religion of Islam on that that particular day.

After this verse of perfection of religion on that that day, did the revelation stop ?

i mean was that the last verse delivered by the prophet ?

It was stupid of me to ask you the question that even your Imams 1/2/3 dint know the answer and i am sorry about that.

But let me ask you something you may be able to answer

Why on that particular day God perfected our religion for us, and He had completed His blessing upon us, and He had approved Islam for our religion ? was it because He gave us dietary laws and hence perfection of religion?

005:003 Forbidden to you are carrion, blood, the flesh of swine, what has been hallowed to other than God, the beast strangled; the beast beaten down, the beast fallen to death, the beast gored, and that devoured by beasts of prey - excepting that you have sacrificed duly -- as also things sacrificed to idols, and partition by the divining arrows; that is ungodliness. Today the unbelievers have despaired of your religion; therefore fear them not, but fear you Me. Today I have perfected your religion for you, and I have completed My blessing upon you, and I have approved Islam for your religion. But whosoever is constrained in emptiness and not inclining purposely to sin -- God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.
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It was stupid of me to ask you the question
I agree with you
that even your Imams 1/2/3 dint know the answer and i am sorry about that.
Let me make it clear Mainstream Muslims do not call 1/2/3 imams.
In fact there was no obvious division of Islam during period of 1/2/3.
Actually they were Khalif 1/2/3.
Majority of mainstream Muslim call Ali, Hassan and Hussain (RA),
Imam Ali, Imam Hassan and Imam Hussein

As far as your question we have reached impasse. Anything I post will lead to further question.

In deleted thread "Godman and Hazir Imam" most probably Admin Posted on Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:57 am
We Ismailis only follow the Islam of Allah. And Islam of Allah only follows the Imam-e-Zaman. Only the Imam knows the secret of the Quran. Everyone else is playing a guessing game.
So it would be best left to all knowing Imam-e-Zaman to give real meaning of this Aya.

Salam brother
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The Ayat clearly state perfected of religion ,that is civil/religious codes in Quran.(perfection of which was earlier imperfect).

the next line and complete my 'Blessings.'
the word complete is used for blessings n not before the word 'religion' 'and for that word 'perfect' is used.

The word here is 'Blessings' and DEFINETLY not the words Quran or Education, Intellect or guidance,which Ali+lah(Allah) was to continue in Imamat(ALI).
Allah(Aali+lah) piks n chooses his word very carefully

Everbody jumps as Zahiri face value of the words.

Why approach ALI for small issues.HE does have his un appointed Solicitor Generals like me and others to take on the Shariatis head on.

BUS MOMIN PEE 'ALI' KE NOORANI HIDAYAT KI REHMET CHAHIYE.
DUNIYA KYA? HUM TO KAYANAT ME BHI USKI WAKALAT JEET KE BATAYEE GE. BUS TAKAZA HAI TO SAMAY KAA?


Just imagine it took Allah(Ali+ lah) the most Intelligent Entity on Universe 22/23 years to narrate to the greatest prophet of all time (pbuh),whom I see at Marifat level ( 7th level of intellect).

It can take a normal human being guess how many year to understand it?.

The result of 15/30 days Graduate explainers are CLEARLY VISIBLY REFLECTED SADLY ON THE SHARIATIS OF TODAY.(BBB).THE WHOLE OF THE HUMAN POPULATION IS WITNESS.
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it doesn't seem to amaze me that despite having a number of Farmans from various Imams (Aga Ali Shah and Imam Sultan Mohammed Shah come to mind) on this issue, we have a number of people who proclaim themselves to be murids of the Imam still disputing this and trying to prove their intelligence to be above the intelligence of the Imam. The Imam in our tariqah is infallible and all knowing - He is Rasikun fil Ilm. Once He has spoken - that is it.
Yet - we are more intelligent than He is.

Yes - there are those that don't agree with this - and claim to be Ismaili - let them be. We've spent 20+ pages going on in circles.

There are those that wish to undermine the faith - and will keep doing so - no argument will win them over. If the Prophet himself were to apparate infront of them and claim the Quran to be incomplete - they would start by asking him for his ID and then proofs. One can not show sunrise to a blind person - the same as playing a lute in front of a donkey isn't going to make the donkey dance...

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it doesn't seem to amaze me that despite having a number of Farmans from various Imams (Aga Ali Shah and Imam Sultan Mohammed Shah come to mind) on this issue, we have a number of people who proclaim themselves to be murids of the Imam still disputing this and trying to prove their intelligence to be above the intelligence of the Imam. The Imam in our tariqah is infallible and all knowing - He is Rasikun fil Ilm. Once He has spoken - that is it.
Yet - we are more intelligent than He is.

Yes - there are those that don't agree with this - and claim to be Ismaili - let them be. We've spent 20+ pages going on in circles.

There are those that wish to undermine the faith - and will keep doing so - no argument will win them over. If the Prophet himself were to apparate infront of them and claim the Quran to be incomplete - they would start by asking him for his ID and then proofs. One can not show sunrise to a blind person - the same as playing a lute in front of a donkey isn't going to make the donkey dance...

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ShamsB wrote:
Yes - there are those that don't agree with this - and claim to be Ismaili - let them be. We've spent 20+ pages going on in circles.

Shams
by this process of 20+ pages going on in circles, we gained much knowledge.

We got various peoples views and opinions. for example zznoor thinks 005:003 was the last verse revealed by the Prophet because in this verse, Allah had perfected, completed and approved Islam as our religion by giving us dietary laws.
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agakhani said :

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Don't you think Quran is out dated now a days ! cuz it has no answer of Many new morden questions?


Modern day questions like ???
Shiraz,

There are many Modern time questions are arising now a days and I think it will arise even more when science getting progress more and more in every fields. and that is the reason I asked don't you think Quran is outdated now a days? and my answer is yes, Quran is outdated now a days because I can not find the answer of my following question, however I try my best
The question is :-
There is a poor widowed lady in India, she is young, beautiful and very healthy to give a birth to a child. Mr. X from USA requested her to rent her womb because Mr. X's wife is not able to give birth to their own child because of some kind feminine health issues.
That poor lady really needs money to raise her own kids because her husband has passed away and she does not have any other income Mr. X offer her $50.000 to become 'SURROGATE MOTHER' that is a lots of money for her but she is confused, she is a religious person and believes that to take some one else 'SPERM' in her womb and raise some one else (Mr. X's) child in her body is 'ZINA' without marring with him!
Can you and or other self proclaimed scholar in this forum find out answer for her, What Quran says about this? is it 'zina; or not? can she raise some one else 'NAJAYAZ AULAD ' in her womb? so, I can forward your answer to her as per Quran!!!! I think it will be a good khidmat needs Ayat # Sura # page # if possible so that she can verify be self.
No 'agadam bagdam tigdam' answer, please.
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Can you and or other self proclaimed scholar in this forum find out answer for her, What Quran says about this? is it 'zina; or not? can she raise some one else 'NAJAYAZ AULAD ' in her womb? so, I can forward your answer to her as per Quran!!!! I think it will be a good khidmat needs Ayat # Sura # page # if possible so that she can verify be self.
No 'agadam bagdam tigdam' answer, please.
1st of...I'm no scholar and secondly with all the little knowledge that I have, we regular 4th-5th stage momins [as some dumb people say] are not the only ones when I comes to this problem.

Its a veryyyy old problem and if Im not mistaken I think its mentioned in quran the story of H.Zakariya[as] and H.Ibrahim[as] when they were old they called on their lord to grant them progeny and it was done !!!

A 120 years old man like H.Ibrahim[as] became a father

But you're right we are not at that stage where anybody can get in touch with allah[swt] but in the same quran allah[swt] talks about MUTA marriage or SHORT TERM CONTRACT.

4:24

Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allâh ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal - money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allâh is Ever All Knowing, All Wise

In today's so called modern times as you have rightly said that a man and a woman does not have to have intercourse in order to make babies....Today we have test tube babies, surrogate babies etc etc....But if there is a short term contract between the lady and the couple and she is paid according to the terms both the parties agreed then I don't think theres any problem with that.

1300 years ago it was called as "MUTA/MUTAH"....in modern terms its called contract.

Any other modern day questions that you wanna ask ???
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To Agakahani: Ya Ali Madad.

Aap to jawab nahi dehthe,Par sawal Puche jaa rahe ho?

A simple common sense answer from level 3 to your complex question.
You have stated that Mrs X has fertility issue.

In Islam,I do not know which Ayat.

It permits/allows 4 wives and also adoption.

A moral/valid solution/option is there straight away.

If your concern is there for poor widow,good looking women.Islam does permit remarriage of widows,She may not have to depend surrogacy

As yourself being an academic,you can Google on
Surrogacy n Islam/ Quran/ Religious beliefs.

I read somewhere that a lot of debate has happened to change the ages old canonical laws of Catholic church on Surrogacy,Abortion n Gay marriages.reading from there may give you precise answer u may be seeking.
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nuseri wrote:
In Islam,I do not know which Ayat.

It permits/allows 4 wives and also adoption.

A moral/valid solution/option is there straight away.
1. Quran tells man to marry only one because he won't equitable between two or more.

004:003 marry such women as seem good to you, two, three, four; but if you fear you will not be equitable, then only one, or what your right hands own; so it is likelier you will not be partial.

004:129 You will not be able to be equitable between your wives, be you ever so eager;


2. Quran says your adopted child is not your child.

033:004 neither has He made your adopted sons your sons in fact. That is your own saying, the words of your mouths; but God speaks the truth, and guides on the way. Call them after their true fathers; that is more equitable in the sight of God. If you know not who their fathers were, then they are your brothers in religion, and your friends. There is no fault in you if you make mistakes, but only in what your hearts premeditate. God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.
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To 27826:
The second marriage n adoption is a just n fair a common sense suggestion for Mr X morally and legally where allowed in his circumstances n problem he has to solve.

Agakhani is seeking the answer the moral implication n status of the widow lady(Ms Y) offering her womb for surrogacy n seeking an answer in Quran n Ayat matching it.

We may derail THE precise answer he is seeking.
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According to Ginans, it is forbidden to lend a womb so surrogate mother is a no go in Ismailism (read Buddh Avatar of Pir Sadardin)

However, According to Hazar Imam's Farmans nor printed but reported to me by Missionaly Amirali Amlani, Adoption is advised. In fact Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah is reported to have said in his Farman to Ismailis in Africa to adopt large quantities of African orphans.

Before reading this, I was for many years in favour of surogate mothers but I am having second thoughts now because of this granth and I have changed my opinion. I think the bond between the mother and her child is the reason for this verse. It is a sacred bond which should not be broken.

97. She who lends her womb and gives birth
With no doubt crossing her mind

98. She who spoils her family's name
Amongst women, she is damned.
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To Admin:
Fair reply on your moral stand.
AgaKhani may be having some answer reasoning from science,humanities
and may be Ginan or Farmans kept to himself,He is seeking precisely from Quran only.
As the Indian Law does permit surrogacy,it must have considered the moral pros n cons before allowing it wheres Indian society being conservative in this issue.
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shiraz.virani wrote:
Can you and or other self proclaimed scholar in this forum find out answer for her, What Quran says about this? is it 'zina; or not? can she raise some one else 'NAJAYAZ AULAD ' in her womb? so, I can forward your answer to her as per Quran!!!! I think it will be a good khidmat needs Ayat # Sura # page # if possible so that she can verify be self.
No 'agadam bagdam tigdam' answer, please.
1st of...I'm no scholar and secondly with all the little knowledge that I have, we regular 4th-5th stage momins [as some dumb people say] are not the only ones when I comes to this problem.

Its a veryyyy old problem and if Im not mistaken I think its mentioned in quran the story of H.Zakariya[as] and H.Ibrahim[as] when they were old they called on their lord to grant them progeny and it was done !!!

A 120 years old man like H.Ibrahim[as] became a father

But you're right we are not at that stage where anybody can get in touch with allah[swt] but in the same quran allah[swt] talks about MUTA marriage or SHORT TERM CONTRACT.

4:24

Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allâh ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal - money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allâh is Ever All Knowing, All Wise

In today's so called modern times as you have rightly said that a man and a woman does not have to have intercourse in order to make babies....Today we have test tube babies, surrogate babies etc etc....But if there is a short term contract between the lady and the couple and she is paid according to the terms both the parties agreed then I don't think theres any problem with that.

1300 years ago it was called as "MUTA/MUTAH"....in modern terms its called contract.

Any other modern day questions that you wanna ask ???
Just to get things straight, are you trying to say that 004:024 has allowed two kind of marriages?

1. Permanent Marriage (life-time contract between man and woman, till one of them dissolves it)

2. Temporary Marriage (time-period contract between man and woman, and after the period, the marriage automatically gets dissolved unless the contract is renewed)
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Please read this

Adoption in Islam

http://www.al-islam.org/adoption-Islam/1.htm

Good Islamic guidance
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Please read this also

The Islamic Ruling on Surrogate Motherhood
www. ilmgate.org/ the-islamic-ruling-on-surrogate-motherhood/
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