Hadiths about Hazrat Ali,Ahl-e-Bait,PanjtanPaak

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sat Jul 05, 2003 11:25 pm

Hazrat Mohammad {PBUH} said that

1 I am leaving amongst you 2 things after me the Quran and my Posterity,verily if you follow them both,you will never go astray.Both are tied with a long rope and can not be separated till the day of judgement.

2 Ali is with Quran and Quran is with Ali.

3 He of whom ever I am master Lord {Mowla} Ali is his master lord.

4 Ali is of Me and I am of Ali.

5 The vexample of the members of my household among you is lke the example of Noah's Ark.Whoever boards it will attain salvation and whoever does not board it will drown

6 We serve as the ark of salvation who ever holds fast to this ark will reach salvation and whoever deviated from it will be cast into predition
whoever wants Allah to grant him some thing should resort to the Ahl-e-Bait.

altaf_rupani_1 · Post by **altaf_rupani_1** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 12:36 am

star_munir wrote:Hazrat Mohammad {PBUH} said that

1 I am leaving amongst you 2 things after me the Quran and my Posterity,verily if you follow them both,you will never go astray.Both are tied with a long rope and can not be separated till the day of judgement.

2 Ali is with Quran and Quran is with Ali.

3 He of whom ever I am master Lord {Mowla} Ali is his master lord.

4 Ali is of Me and I am of Ali.

5 The vexample of the members of my household among you is lke the example of Noah's Ark.Whoever boards it will attain salvation and whoever does not board it will drown

6 We serve as the ark of salvation who ever holds fast to this ark will reach salvation and whoever deviated from it will be cast into predition
whoever wants Allah to grant him some thing should resort to the Ahl-e-Bait.

Hadiths were never authenticated by the Holy Prophet as his sayings but people said that the holy prophet said this and that. So the holy prophet may have said it or he did not say it. In other words, the hundreds of hadiths available may or may not be correct in toto.

The holy prophet gave message of Allah because He was the messenger of Allah. He did not utter things of his own. You should get this from the Quran.

Refering to
3 - He of whom ever I am master Lord {Mowla} Ali is his master lord."
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The aforesaid hadith is interesting because Quran terms Master as Lord/Rabb and Quran reveals Lord is Allah. So it appears there was a message from Allah wherein Allah conveyed He of whom ever I am master Lord (Mowla) Ali is his master Lord. So the message is clear that Ali is Allah moreso since Quran reveals the Holy Prophet himself gave a message of Allah that Lord/Rabb is Allah and here the Holy Prophet reveal the name of the Lord.

Please quote all the hadiths available with you in full related to the above aspect giving proper reference/s, if any.

Thanks.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sun Jul 06, 2003 10:50 pm

Hazrat Mohammad [PBUH] said that

1 Love members of my household because of love for Me.

2 Whoever shows animosity towards us the members of the house hold will be cast into the fire.

3 Stars are the source of the earth and the members of my household are the source of the people.

4 The stars are the refuge for the dwellers of the heavens and my Ahl-e-Bait are the refuge for the people.

5 When Allah gathers the first ones and the last ones on the day of judgement and the path has been errected on the bridge of hell,no one can cros s it unless he had along proof of allegiance to Ali.

6 Ali,you are the divider of paradise and hell.On the day of judgement you will say to hell this one for you that one for you.

7 Whoever does not say that Ali is the best,is kafir.

altaf_rupani_1 · Post by **altaf_rupani_1** » Mon Jul 07, 2003 12:30 am

REMINDER TO STAR_MUNIR
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Is it possible for you to quote available hadiths with you in full with proper reference related to "He of whom ever I am master Lord {Mowla} Ali is his master lord." If possible, then please do the needful.

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My earlier posting in reply to your posting
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Hadiths were never authenticated by the Holy Prophet as his sayings but people said that the holy prophet said this and that. So the holy prophet may have said it or he did not say it. In other words, the hundreds of hadiths available may or may not be correct in toto.

The holy prophet gave message of Allah because He was the messenger of Allah. He did not utter things of his own. You should get this from the Quran.

Refering to
3 - He of whom ever I am master Lord {Mowla} Ali is his master lord."
--------------
The aforesaid hadith is interesting because Quran terms Master as Lord/Rabb and Quran reveals Lord is Allah. So it appears there was a message from Allah wherein Allah conveyed He of whom ever I am master Lord (Mowla) Ali is his master Lord. So the message is clear that Ali is Allah moreso since Quran reveals the Holy Prophet himself gave a message of Allah that Lord/Rabb is Allah and here the Holy Prophet reveal the name of the Lord.

Please quote all the hadiths available with you in full related to the above aspect giving proper reference/s, if any.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:31 pm

Taking Hazrat Ali's hand in his hand and raising it high, Prophet Muhammad declared in a
clear and high tone:

"Man kuntu Mowlahu fa-Ali Mowlahu"meaning,"He of whom I am The Lord, Ali is also his Lord".
He then added:"Ali is to me what Harun (Aaron) was to Musa (Moses)."and prayed:"O Allah! Be a friend of Ali's friends and and a foe to His foes. Help those who help Ali and frustrate the hopes of those who betray Ali."

As Prophet Muhammad completed this message, Umar bin Khattab, who later became the second Caliph of Islam, presented himself before Hazrat Ali and said: "Congratulations to you, O the son of Abu Talib! You have become the Master of every male and female mu'min." Saying this he did Baiyat on Hazrat Ali's holy hand. Following Caliph Umar's example, all the rest of the Muslims, both men and women, made the baiyat on Hazrat Ali's hand amidst great rejoicing and merriment.

The memorable declaration led to the completion and perfection of religion as Allah commanded the Prophet to say:

" This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed my favours upon you and chosen for you Islam as your religion " - Sura 5 Ayat 3)

This is what I copied from this website as you want the complete hadith.

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star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Tue Jul 08, 2003 11:53 pm

I know there are many hadiths which are not correct but I am here posting only those related to concept of Imamat,Hazrat Ali and Panjtan Paak.

1 There is no hero except Ali,there is no sword except His sword zulfiqar.

2 Agar koi shaks Adam k umar jitni Ibadat karay,Noah k umar jitney haj karay,aur ahd kai pahar[mountain] jitna sona khairat karay magar us kai dil mai Ali kai liye mohabbat nahi to dozakh mai jaye ga.

Note
The age of Hazrat Adam was 1000 years or above
The age of Prophet Noah was 950 years.

3 I and Ali are from same Noor.

4 O,Ali after me momins will get hidayat from you.

5 Fatima is a part of My heart.

6 Fatima is a part of my body.

7 O,Fatima God becomes happy with your happiness.

anis_kamdar · Post by **anis_kamdar** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:22 am

kandani · Post by **kandani** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 10:46 am

"Ali is to me what Harun (Aaron) was to Musa (Moses)."

Anis Kamdar, if Ali according to you was Lord/Rabb/Allah, then Aaron was also Lord/Rabb/Allah?

altaf_rupani · Post by **altaf_rupani** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 1:08 pm

kandani wrote:"Ali is to me what Harun (Aaron) was to Musa (Moses)."

Anis Kamdar, if Ali according to you was Lord/Rabb/Allah, then Aaron was also Lord/Rabb/Allah?

Kandani,

I hope you do not mind if I reply.

The bad people were deleting all the real messages and the holy prophet proved better of them because the message in this kind of code language the bad people did not understand and they did not delete it. If you go by history and if I remember right then bukhari deleted thousands and thousands of messages.

I suggest you refer the Quran in this regard.

By the message it is clear that Ali and Muhammad were the authorities and Ali was the strenght of Muhammad.

Hope you will not make fun of the Holy Prophet as he was one of those who conveyed the message Rabb/Lord is Allah - please refer Quran and it was He who conveyed Ali is to me what Aaron was to Moses so that the messages gets through if one uses the intellect and it was the Holy Prophet who conveyed allah's message - to whom I am the lord to those ali is the lord.

at the same time the holy prophet conveyed the message as per the instruction of allah and quran reveals the best of planners is allah:

Al-Anfal, or the Spoils of War-8
30) Remember how the unbelievers plotted against thee, to keep thee in bonds, or slay thee, or get thee out (of thy home.) They plot and plan, and Allah too plans, but the best of planners is Allah.

so you see allah that the message went pass through in that style and the best of planners is allah.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 11:14 pm

Roxy, the age of Prophet Noah was 950 years according to Quran and Bible.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 12:14 am

1 Here is My proxy and my lieutenant.Here standeth my brother.Listen to Him and Obey.

2 O,Ali you are from me and I am from you,you will inherit me and I will inherit you,you are unto me what Harun was unto Musa,enmity against you is enmity against me,your fleh is my flesh,your blood is my blood.....your friends will be rewarded in the heaven and your enemies will be punished in the hell.

3 He [Hazrat Ali] is Imam Mubin

4 Ali hidayat key alam hai,iman ki nishani hai,tamam aulia kai Imam hai aur tamam momino kai liye Hazrat Ali NOOR hai.

5 To see Ali is ibadat

6The one who love Ali,loves Prophet.

altaf_rupani · Post by **altaf_rupani** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:47 am

star_munir wrote:Roxy, the age of Prophet Noah was 950 years according to Quran and Bible.

I hope you do not mind if I reply here.

You have missed out that the Quran also reveal that man reaches the age of full strength/maturity at about 40 years. If one takes this into account and the fact that Quran reveals nature is reversed - then such an old age is just not possible ? --- more so since after 40 that person will start going weaker and weaker and weaker... So you see the Noah living 950 years goes against this Quran verse.

Ya-Sin - XXXVI
68) If We grant long life to any, We cause him to be reversed in nature: will they not then understand?

69) We have not instructed the (Prophet) in Poetry, nor is it meet for him: this is no less than a Message and a Qur'an making things clear:

So you see you took one verse into account and left the other ....... and what we are concerned is trying to go by the truth/reality. In this regard, refer the farmans of mawlana hazar imam since He is the one who had given the message and history reveals the standard text of quran is not copied from the original.

God has planned certain age of what he has created [from this to this] .......

This further proves that only allah/mawlana hazar imam is the guide as per the changing times.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Thu Jul 10, 2003 10:22 pm

It is in Quran that

AUR YAQINAN[SURELY] HUM NEY NOAH KO US KOUM KI TARAF BHAIJA PAS WO UN MAI PACHAS KAM AIK HAZAR SAAL RAHA [1000-50=950 SO ACCORDING TO QURAN AGE OF HAZRAT NOAH WAS 950 YEARS]PHIR INHAI TOOFAN NAI AA PAKRA AUR WO ZALIM THEY.PHIR HUM NEY USAY AUR KASHTI WALO KO NIJAT DI AUR IS KO TAMAM JAHANO KAI LIYE NISHANI KARAR DIYA.

Also according to old testament of Bible age of Hazrat Noah was 950 years

I dont know any Farman regarding this.

altaf_rupani · Post by **altaf_rupani** » Fri Jul 11, 2003 1:43 am

star_munir wrote:It is in Quran that

AUR YAQINAN[SURELY] HUM NEY NOAH KO US KOUM KI TARAF BHAIJA PAS WO UN MAI PACHAS KAM AIK HAZAR SAAL RAHA [1000-50=950 SO ACCORDING TO QURAN AGE OF HAZRAT NOAH WAS 950 YEARS]PHIR INHAI TOOFAN NAI AA PAKRA AUR WO ZALIM THEY.PHIR HUM NEY USAY AUR KASHTI WALO KO NIJAT DI AUR IS KO TAMAM JAHANO KAI LIYE NISHANI KARAR DIYA.

Also according to old testament of Bible age of Hazrat Noah was 950 years

I dont know any Farman regarding this.

Please do not feel shy to quote the verse giving proper reference. You want me to quote the verse ??? For your info - the discussion is in English - so please try to stick to this language.

Quran reveals :

Al-Baqara-2
164) Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which Allah sends down from the skies and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth; (here) indeed are signs for a people that are wise.

God have given everyone their nature including human beings and if one human being lives 950 years then the other should also live likewise or thereabout. It is that simple. And hence question of Noah living 950 years does not arise. Human being are just not made in a way that they are able to live 950 years at a stretch. By eighty five a person grows old and weak.

When you mention Quran then why are you ignoring the verse which mention that man reaches the age of full strength/maturity at about 40 years. If one takes this into account and the fact that Quran reveals nature is reversed - then such an old age is just not possible ? --- more so since after 40 years as per the Quran you are mentioning person will start going weaker and weaker and weaker... So you see the Noah living 950 years goes against this Quran verse.

Ya-Sin - XXXVI
6 If We grant long life to any, We cause him to be reversed in nature: will they not then understand?

69) We have not instructed the (Prophet) in Poetry, nor is it meet for him: this is no less than a Message and a Qur'an making things clear:

So you see you took one verse into account and left the other ....... and what we are concerned is trying to go by the truth/reality. In this regard, refer the farmans of mawlana hazar imam (Kalam E Imam E Mubin) since He is the one who had given the message and history reveals the standard text of quran is not copied from the original.

God has planned certain age of what he has created [from this to this] .......

This further proves that only allah/mawlana hazar imam is the guide as per the changing times.

P.S.: by the way why did you not go through kalam e imam e mubin ?
Also why did you ignore the verse of the Quran which mention of 40 years, etc.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:07 pm

Hazrat Mohammad [pbuh]said that

1 Call Ali,call Ali,indeed Ali is from Me and I am from Him and He is the wali of every momin after Me.

2 Ali will settle my debt.

3 Ali is from Me and I am from Ali and no body pays on My behalf except Myself or Ali.

4 He who likes to live My life and to die My death and to enter paradise which My lord promised Me and which is the ever lasting paradise,some of whose seedlings He planted with His hand,then let him have the walayat of Ali and His progeny after Him who will never expel you through the door of guidance and will never let you enter through the door of deviation.

5 Welcome the chief of the muslims and the Imam of the righteous.

6 He who leaves Ali leaves Me and he who leaves Me indeed leaves Allah.

7 Ali is to Me as as My head is to My body.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 9:38 pm

Hazrat Mohammad [PBUH] said that

1 Ali is the Imam of the pious ones.

2 You are the bearer of My flag in this world and here after.

3 Ali bin Abi Talib is the door of pardon.He who enters through it is a believer and he who leaves it is an unbeliever.

4 Ali Bin Abi Talib shines in paradise like the morning star shines for the people of the world.

5Ali is the kng of momins and wealth is the king of hypocrites.

6 The remembrance of Ali is worship.

7 To look at the face of Ali is worship.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:54 pm

Hazrat Mohammad [PBUH] said that

1 Indeed,the angels sent salwat upon Me and Ali 7 years before any humanbeing accepted Islam.

2 The night I was carried [to heaven] I saw written on the lrg of the throne verily I am,I am Allah,other then me there is no deity,I created the paradise of Eden with My hands,Mohammad is the best of My creation.I helped Him through Ali and rendered Him victorious through Him.

3 [O,Ali] Nobody except a momin loves you and no body except a hypocrite hates you.

4 He who hurts Ali,hurts Me.

5 He who abuses Ali,indeed abuses Me and he who abuses Me indeed abuses Allah.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Wed Aug 06, 2003 9:56 pm

Hazrat Mohammad [PBUH] said that

Fatima is a part of Me.What annoys Her annoys Me.

O Fatima are you not pleased to be the cheif of the women of the momins.

The dearest to Me of My people is Fatima.

Are you not pleased to be the chief of the ladies of the people of paradise.

O Fatima are you not happy to be the chief of the women of the world.

Verily Allah becomes angry for the anger of Fatima and become pleased for Her pleasure.

Fatima is a branch of Me what delights Her delights Me and what distresses Her distresses Me.

Fatima is a part of Me and He who has hurt Her has hurt Me.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sun Aug 10, 2003 7:41 pm

Hazrat Mohammad [pbuh] said that

Hassan and Hussain are the 2 chiefs of the youth of the people of paradise.

As for Hassan He has My appearance and sovereignty and as for Hussain He has My courage and generosity.

Indeed Hassan and Hussain are My 2 fragrant basils in this world.

The most beloved to Me of the people of My house are Hassan and Hussain.

He who loves Hassan and Hussain indeed loves Me and he who hates them hates Me.

He who loves Me let hm love these two i.e, Hassan and Hussain.

Hazrat Mohammad [pbuh] was carrying Hazrat Hassan on His shoulder.A man said How good is the conveyance you are riding o,boy.Holy Prophet [pbuh] said How good is the rider.

Hussain is from Me and I am from Hussain.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Mon Aug 11, 2003 8:10 pm

Hazrat Mohammad [pbuh] said that

He who does a favour to one of my Ahl-e-Bayt I will reward him for that on the day of resurrection.

I am at war with those who wage war with them [panjtan paak] and I am at peace with those who make peace with them.

He who loves Me and these two [Hazrat Hassan and Imam Hussain] and their Father and Mother will be with Me in My rank on the day of resurrection.

He who love these [Ali,Fatima,Hassan,Hussain] verily he loves Me and he who hates them hates Me.

He who hurts Me concerning My Ahl-Bayt verily hurts Allah.

We are the Ahl-e-Bayt,no body can be compared with us.

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