Ya Ali Madad:
We are now in 21 century with progress of science and majority of human population with rational sense (secular tariqat level).
There is demand of time from employers and family to serve them and not wile time in prayers physically.
There is also an Ayat that all that evolves belong to Allah,so if all the discoveries n inventions belong to him so does reformed n evolvement of religion n faith belong to him.
How can it be seen as infidel ,blah,blah.
If some guru starts a new religion now and say.
that you have move physically for 12 minutes for 5 time a day n even in working hours n say
boss help me,boss forgive me,you are great,etc etc.
say the same n same things 50 time in those 12 minutes.
and top of it he does give you a penny but asks for it.
tell this to an educated student in any county,He will say that only a Mad or insane person will do that.
That is exactly what d Sharaiti's are doing today.
1400 years back illiteracy was over 95% and still it is 29% now in Bangladesh.
So an illiterate was needed/required to be disciplined in physical form.
We also have beautiful Dua for 3.5 minute only.
If in future the truth n essence of dua can be found within or tasbi,ginan/qasidas/farmans/bandagi.
then I feel the physical act can be done away with moment all Ismails reach at haqaqti level.
Our Imams were leading prayers till 42nd Imam( dua/nammaz).
NOW nobody has got a video or foto of Imam SMS n MHI AS IMAM in
act of prayer ,these are signals for future.
My personal opinion if a shariati makes in Boston makes say appx $ 80
in one hour of overtime saved from pray time and send us$ 2000 PER MONTH to counrty like Bangladesh that can educate 1000 orphan girls ( bringing them to light of literacy).
I see 100 times more blessing in this act of giving value of one hour than
moving body n muttering for one hour daily as act of prayer.( because god/ALI accepts 1000 orphan girls also praying for you to him)
No wonder that I read the best of hadith:
"The best of religion is serving the humanity."
KHUDA NEKI AUR KARNI SE KHUSH HOTA HAI.
SIRF HAATH AUR JISM HILANE SE SIRF TASALLI HOTI HOGI.
Doing away with ACTS of sharia
To Zznoor:Ya Ali Madad.
Have you closely read the wordings of my post.
I have specifically mentioned the word 'act' that is physical act and not the spirit n essence of it.
In my earlier post i gave analogy with meal spread and telling that dua
n physical obligations as salad. and also starters main course n dessert
If we can get same or more value by skipping salad ,the vegetables of it are there in starters n main course which is more tastier n wider choices .
If if salad is done away after fully knowing the content n value of other three spread,I do not see any wrong in it.
Just take an true hadith.
it can universally be endorsed as words spoken by a truly divine person.
The BEST of religion is service to humanity."
why,why why.
because he said the truth.
while prayers act when he was unlearned was demonstrated by angel jibreal/salman.
He acted by looking at somebody ,but spoke the divine truth out of mind.
So what is physical observation of body,acts,behavior,clothes is Sharia.it was need of the hour for all illiterate and prophet was no exemption
till blessed with noor.
Now hadith is at higher level statement out his noor directly contradicting
the act of prayers which he was told to ape/copy from an angel (with visible body).
So the act is an obligation n not a total salvation/destiny .
In primary there is half hour of PT classes still in our country called as physical training along with book, it is there is class four n stopped when students go to next level.
By logics and study the student is taught to do physical activitiy in time suggested to keep itself fit.
It is not there high school,college or research institutes.
Now coming to the same hadith n my last posting.
what he said was truth( haqiqat).
the way to serve humanity with rational sense is tariqat.
acting on it with sincerely is marifat.
If sharia ( an obligation of one hour for own soul ) is replaced/complimented by using the same hour to earn extra dollar to SERVE the needy ,that hour is fully accounted by ALI as your ibadat,greater than physical obligation.so the thoughts of Allah is always there because of one's intent all the hours.
now that the earning of one hour daily for an I.T PRO IN USA can be handsome
it CAN educate 600 children .
So that hour not obliging the sharia has raise one soul to much much grater heights,matching the true word of prophet( he is marfati par excellence).
by one hour of physical muttering one is obliging one self only,more of an escapist.
the same hour converted into khidmat also incLudes by default you offering/AMOUNT(zakat) and ibaadat/time.
Have you closely read the wordings of my post.
I have specifically mentioned the word 'act' that is physical act and not the spirit n essence of it.
In my earlier post i gave analogy with meal spread and telling that dua
n physical obligations as salad. and also starters main course n dessert
If we can get same or more value by skipping salad ,the vegetables of it are there in starters n main course which is more tastier n wider choices .
If if salad is done away after fully knowing the content n value of other three spread,I do not see any wrong in it.
Just take an true hadith.
it can universally be endorsed as words spoken by a truly divine person.
The BEST of religion is service to humanity."
why,why why.
because he said the truth.
while prayers act when he was unlearned was demonstrated by angel jibreal/salman.
He acted by looking at somebody ,but spoke the divine truth out of mind.
So what is physical observation of body,acts,behavior,clothes is Sharia.it was need of the hour for all illiterate and prophet was no exemption
till blessed with noor.
Now hadith is at higher level statement out his noor directly contradicting
the act of prayers which he was told to ape/copy from an angel (with visible body).
So the act is an obligation n not a total salvation/destiny .
In primary there is half hour of PT classes still in our country called as physical training along with book, it is there is class four n stopped when students go to next level.
By logics and study the student is taught to do physical activitiy in time suggested to keep itself fit.
It is not there high school,college or research institutes.
Now coming to the same hadith n my last posting.
what he said was truth( haqiqat).
the way to serve humanity with rational sense is tariqat.
acting on it with sincerely is marifat.
If sharia ( an obligation of one hour for own soul ) is replaced/complimented by using the same hour to earn extra dollar to SERVE the needy ,that hour is fully accounted by ALI as your ibadat,greater than physical obligation.so the thoughts of Allah is always there because of one's intent all the hours.
now that the earning of one hour daily for an I.T PRO IN USA can be handsome
it CAN educate 600 children .
So that hour not obliging the sharia has raise one soul to much much grater heights,matching the true word of prophet( he is marfati par excellence).
by one hour of physical muttering one is obliging one self only,more of an escapist.
the same hour converted into khidmat also incLudes by default you offering/AMOUNT(zakat) and ibaadat/time.
As Ismailis, we are already participating in the cause for helping improve quality of lives of humanity, through dah-yak [Mal-i-wajibaat | Dasoond], and participation in various other Imamate institutions activities, such as FOCUS, JSF, Partnership Walk, and many many others.
What you say about working to make money and use that money to educate few poor people, is politically correct; It can be very true to other branches of Islam [or even other faiths], since they don't have a system [unlike us]. However, without an effective system in-place, the means can't reach the end. We are lucky that our Imam is so kind and wise that we participate in the betterment of humanity, even without realizing it it [at least some of us]. Imam is thinking more/better than you and I. You think about 600 girls in bangladesh; but Imam is thinking about the entire humanity and helping thousands and thousands of people across the globe, regardless of race, colour, religious background, etc... And we are participating in that cause.
Having said that, I have heard many Farmaan's of MHI emphasizing to be regular at attending jama'at khana. If attending JK wasn't so important, MHI wouldn't emphasizing it. Helping others is good, but soul searching and personal inquiry, as MHI referred is important to have a better understanding of Allah's creation, which sets apart a complete human from an animal human.
What you say about working to make money and use that money to educate few poor people, is politically correct; It can be very true to other branches of Islam [or even other faiths], since they don't have a system [unlike us]. However, without an effective system in-place, the means can't reach the end. We are lucky that our Imam is so kind and wise that we participate in the betterment of humanity, even without realizing it it [at least some of us]. Imam is thinking more/better than you and I. You think about 600 girls in bangladesh; but Imam is thinking about the entire humanity and helping thousands and thousands of people across the globe, regardless of race, colour, religious background, etc... And we are participating in that cause.
Having said that, I have heard many Farmaan's of MHI emphasizing to be regular at attending jama'at khana. If attending JK wasn't so important, MHI wouldn't emphasizing it. Helping others is good, but soul searching and personal inquiry, as MHI referred is important to have a better understanding of Allah's creation, which sets apart a complete human from an animal human.
Tret,
Very well said, beautifully explained about the imams various activities which doesn't only for Ismailis but for entire world.
I can not stop to add one things : do you know that there are many peoples and they are not an,Ismailis, whom MHI has helped them in food, shelter, health and educations are lobbing for MHI to receive NOBEL PRISE!?
I do not only criticize but I also praise for any good post of any one reader!l:
Very well said, beautifully explained about the imams various activities which doesn't only for Ismailis but for entire world.
I can not stop to add one things : do you know that there are many peoples and they are not an,Ismailis, whom MHI has helped them in food, shelter, health and educations are lobbing for MHI to receive NOBEL PRISE!?
I do not only criticize but I also praise for any good post of any one reader!l:
zznoor,
Please watch this short documentary. I am sure you will benefit from it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzZBEUfDStA
Please watch this short documentary. I am sure you will benefit from it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzZBEUfDStA
Of course he has to look after everybody being God, whether they recognise him or not. He continuously creates and sustains all the worlds.agakhani wrote:Tret,
Very well said, beautifully explained about the imams various activities which doesn't only for Ismailis but for entire world.
I can not stop to add one things : do you know that there are many peoples and they are not an,Ismailis, whom MHI has helped them in food, shelter, health and educations are lobbing for MHI to receive NOBEL PRISE!?
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What about Allah?kmaherali wrote:Of course he has to look after everybody being God, whether they recognise him or not. He continuously creates and sustains all the worlds.agakhani wrote:Tret,
Very well said, beautifully explained about the imams various activities which doesn't only for Ismailis but for entire world.
I can not stop to add one things : do you know that there are many peoples and they are not an,Ismailis, whom MHI has helped them in food, shelter, health and educations are lobbing for MHI to receive NOBEL PRISE!?
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Aga Khan continuously creates and sustains all the worlds. Very amusing.
study the 23 yeas life of prophet also some info on Salman farsi then.observe closely how salman was serving him at shaira and tariqat.( first 13 years phase and then Hz ALI comes by his side on his progress to haqiqat n marifa.the prophet (s.a) was greatest entity fully escorted entity even physically ,where no physical harm came to him from infidels then.
How it evolved from from ignorance( as is written in quran of his early status.
to that of sharia to marifa progress of the same entity.
at what stage he was when act of prayer was shown and what stage he was his noor spoke out" that best of religion is service to humanity.
Read the seerat conference speech of MHI at what level praised the entity.
The 'holy book' is primarily a message of religion and faith to be inspired from it.
so an ayat of 'All that evolves belong to Allah".
Can you please explain this 6 word with truth n perfection.
You have been since long dumping the ayat at dime a dozen with tafseer
of graded apes n quacks with yourself not understanding the true meaning of 90% of ayats.
you all have not understood the holy book nor the entity who delivered it.Only observed the delivery person.
WE ARE JUST LIKE PEICES ON THE CHESSBOARD OF ALI.
IT IS HE WHO MAKES THE MOVE.
How it evolved from from ignorance( as is written in quran of his early status.
to that of sharia to marifa progress of the same entity.
at what stage he was when act of prayer was shown and what stage he was his noor spoke out" that best of religion is service to humanity.
Read the seerat conference speech of MHI at what level praised the entity.
The 'holy book' is primarily a message of religion and faith to be inspired from it.
so an ayat of 'All that evolves belong to Allah".
Can you please explain this 6 word with truth n perfection.
You have been since long dumping the ayat at dime a dozen with tafseer
of graded apes n quacks with yourself not understanding the true meaning of 90% of ayats.
you all have not understood the holy book nor the entity who delivered it.Only observed the delivery person.
WE ARE JUST LIKE PEICES ON THE CHESSBOARD OF ALI.
IT IS HE WHO MAKES THE MOVE.
As I keep mentioning again and again. According the Qur'an: Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. According to the Qur'an: He has sent a Manifest Light and a Proof.zznoor wrote:What about Allah?
Aga Khan continuously creates and sustains all the worlds. Very amusing.
According to Ismaili interpretation the Manifest Light and the Proof is the Imam and he is called The Aga Khan.
kmaherali
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Posts: 10349
Posted: 09 Mar 2015 07:08 pm Post subject:
agakhani wrote:
Tret,
Very well said, beautifully explained about the imams various activities which doesn't only for Ismailis but for entire world.
I can not stop to add one things : do you know that there are many peoples and they are not an,Ismailis, whom MHI has helped them in food, shelter, health and educations are lobbing for MHI to receive NOBEL PRISE!?
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Of course he has to look after everybody being God, whether they recognise him or not. He continuously creates and sustains all the worlds.
Let me quote couple of maxims of Mowla Ali from NAHJUL BALAGHA;
" TWO CATEGORIES OF PERSONS WILL FACE RUIN ON ACCOUNT OF ME;HE WHO LOVES ME WITH EXAGGERATION, AND HE WHO HATES ME INTENSELY."
" I CAME TO KNOW ALLAH, THE GLORIFIED, THROUGH THE BREAKING OF DETERMINATIONS, CHANGE OF INTENTIONS, AND LOSING OF COURAGE."
Joined: 27 Mar 2003
Posts: 10349
Posted: 09 Mar 2015 07:08 pm Post subject:
agakhani wrote:
Tret,
Very well said, beautifully explained about the imams various activities which doesn't only for Ismailis but for entire world.
I can not stop to add one things : do you know that there are many peoples and they are not an,Ismailis, whom MHI has helped them in food, shelter, health and educations are lobbing for MHI to receive NOBEL PRISE!?
[/b]
Of course he has to look after everybody being God, whether they recognise him or not. He continuously creates and sustains all the worlds.
Let me quote couple of maxims of Mowla Ali from NAHJUL BALAGHA;
" TWO CATEGORIES OF PERSONS WILL FACE RUIN ON ACCOUNT OF ME;HE WHO LOVES ME WITH EXAGGERATION, AND HE WHO HATES ME INTENSELY."
" I CAME TO KNOW ALLAH, THE GLORIFIED, THROUGH THE BREAKING OF DETERMINATIONS, CHANGE OF INTENTIONS, AND LOSING OF COURAGE."
Statements from Imam Ali:
1) "Khutbah-i-Tutunjiyyeh" - I am the First and the Last! I am the External and Manifest and I am the Internal and Hidden!
2) Khutba al Bhayan:
the subject has already been discussed in the Forum. Please post in the appropriate thread.
1) "Khutbah-i-Tutunjiyyeh" - I am the First and the Last! I am the External and Manifest and I am the Internal and Hidden!
2) Khutba al Bhayan:
the subject has already been discussed in the Forum. Please post in the appropriate thread.
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Why do you want to refer to NAHJUL BALAGHA written some 1400 back to an audience which is general Shia, when we have most recent Farmans of the present Imam to his murids regarding the status of the Imam and which you are well aware off?mazhar wrote:Let me quote couple of maxims of Mowla Ali from NAHJUL BALAGHA;
" TWO CATEGORIES OF PERSONS WILL FACE RUIN ON ACCOUNT OF ME;HE WHO LOVES ME WITH EXAGGERATION, AND HE WHO HATES ME INTENSELY."
" I CAME TO KNOW ALLAH, THE GLORIFIED, THROUGH THE BREAKING OF DETERMINATIONS, CHANGE OF INTENTIONS, AND LOSING OF COURAGE."
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:21 pm Post subject:
mazhar wrote:
Let me quote couple of maxims of Mowla Ali from NAHJUL BALAGHA;
" TWO CATEGORIES OF PERSONS WILL FACE RUIN ON ACCOUNT OF ME;HE WHO LOVES ME WITH EXAGGERATION, AND HE WHO HATES ME INTENSELY."
" I CAME TO KNOW ALLAH, THE GLORIFIED, THROUGH THE BREAKING OF DETERMINATIONS, CHANGE OF INTENTIONS, AND LOSING OF COURAGE."
Why do you want to refer to NAHJUL BALAGHA written some 1400 back to an audience which is general Shia, when we have most recent Farmans of the present Imam to his murids regarding the status of the Imam and which you are well aware off?
Reply to Kmaherali,
In one of your post, you mentioned that Quran is 1400 years old was guidance for Arab audience of that time. For literature developed in Fatimid period, you wrote it was 1000 years back and is not applicable in todays envirnoment. Now you are saying Nahjul Balagha was written 1400 years back to an audience which is general Shia. If your this argument is correct than let me ask you a question; GINANS ARE 700 YEARS OLD, HOW THEY CAN BE FIT IN TO DAYS MODERN ENVIRNOMENT? According to you, when we have most recent Farmans of the present Imam regarding the status of the Imam, than why are we looking at ginans. Km, from very begining of my posts, my theme has been "Obey Farman of the present Imam."
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Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:21 pm Post subject:
mazhar wrote:
Let me quote couple of maxims of Mowla Ali from NAHJUL BALAGHA;
" TWO CATEGORIES OF PERSONS WILL FACE RUIN ON ACCOUNT OF ME;HE WHO LOVES ME WITH EXAGGERATION, AND HE WHO HATES ME INTENSELY."
" I CAME TO KNOW ALLAH, THE GLORIFIED, THROUGH THE BREAKING OF DETERMINATIONS, CHANGE OF INTENTIONS, AND LOSING OF COURAGE."
Why do you want to refer to NAHJUL BALAGHA written some 1400 back to an audience which is general Shia, when we have most recent Farmans of the present Imam to his murids regarding the status of the Imam and which you are well aware off?
Reply to Kmaherali,
In one of your post, you mentioned that Quran is 1400 years old was guidance for Arab audience of that time. For literature developed in Fatimid period, you wrote it was 1000 years back and is not applicable in todays envirnoment. Now you are saying Nahjul Balagha was written 1400 years back to an audience which is general Shia. If your this argument is correct than let me ask you a question; GINANS ARE 700 YEARS OLD, HOW THEY CAN BE FIT IN TO DAYS MODERN ENVIRNOMENT? According to you, when we have most recent Farmans of the present Imam regarding the status of the Imam, than why are we looking at ginans. Km, from very begining of my posts, my theme has been "Obey Farman of the present Imam."
Mazhar, for us Ismailis, a Farman of past Imams is valid unless superceeded by a more recent Farman so depending on the matter, we always refer to the most recent Farman,.
If there is no recent Farman, we are told to follow the Farman of previous Imams in that matter. For example people who could not find Farman (though there are) on the subject of Dasond can refer to the one available and read on Chandraat days by Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah stating that there is no foundation of faith without Dasond.
If there is no recent Farman, we are told to follow the Farman of previous Imams in that matter. For example people who could not find Farman (though there are) on the subject of Dasond can refer to the one available and read on Chandraat days by Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah stating that there is no foundation of faith without Dasond.
Exactly, I quoted the 1966 farman made in Bombay. We have Paris Conference resolution on the status of Imam as the Mazhar of Allah. We have IIS guidance of the Imam as the Mazhar -I-dhat- Illahi. Why go back 1400 years?We must obey the present Imam.mazhar wrote: According to you, when we have most recent Farmans of the present Imam regarding the status of the Imam, than why are we looking at ginans. Km, from very begining of my posts, my theme has been "Obey Farman of the present Imam."
kmaherali,kmaherali wrote:Exactly, I quoted the 1966 farman made in Bombay. We have Paris Conference resolution on the status of Imam as the Mazhar of Allah. We have IIS guidance of the Imam as the Mazhar -I-dhat- Illahi. Why go back 1400 years?We must obey the present Imam.mazhar wrote: According to you, when we have most recent Farmans of the present Imam regarding the status of the Imam, than why are we looking at ginans. Km, from very begining of my posts, my theme has been "Obey Farman of the present Imam."
sorry to interrupt, but Imam being Mazhar of Allah, is not the same as Imam is Allah!
Second, please provide a link/reference to IIS guidance that Imam is Mazhar-i-dhat-Ilahi!!!
You have more chance convincing, should you provide a credible and verifiable reference on latter!!! I would be very much interested to see that.
We can debate this till the end of time.
Mazhar means Epiphanie, Revelation, Manifestation. You are free to pick your choice.
Paris Conference minutes quotes the Imam as having said the Imam should be explained as "Mazhar" of Allah.
If you feel the word "Mazhar" means Toyota, tsunam, table, BMW, petrole, copper, sand, dust, friend or slave or low class employee, you are free to believe whatever you choose as ours is an intellectual faith and to each one his understanding of "Mazhar" according to his own intellectual limitations.
Debating on the significance of the word has already been done on this website for the last 20 years. Just stop repeating.
Mazhar means Epiphanie, Revelation, Manifestation. You are free to pick your choice.
Paris Conference minutes quotes the Imam as having said the Imam should be explained as "Mazhar" of Allah.
If you feel the word "Mazhar" means Toyota, tsunam, table, BMW, petrole, copper, sand, dust, friend or slave or low class employee, you are free to believe whatever you choose as ours is an intellectual faith and to each one his understanding of "Mazhar" according to his own intellectual limitations.
Debating on the significance of the word has already been done on this website for the last 20 years. Just stop repeating.
Admin wrote:We can debate this till the end of time.
Mazhar means Epiphanie, Revelation, Manifestation. You are free to pick your choice.
Paris Conference minutes quotes the Imam as having said the Imam should be explained as "Mazhar" of Allah.
If you feel the word "Mazhar" means Toyota, tsunam, table, BMW, petrole, copper, sand, dust, friend or slave or low class employee, you are free to believe whatever you choose as ours is an intellectual faith and to each one his understanding of "Mazhar" according to his own intellectual limitations.
Debating on the significance of the word has already been done on this website for the last 20 years. Just stop repeating.
Admin,
I am not sure why this question bothers you?
Whatever meaning you pick for Mazhar, it is still not the same as God Himself!! If it was the same and identical, the term wouldn't have been used! It's only logical.
The light bulb is a medium of manifestation of the electric current. You can't see the electric current, but through the light bulb. We could say the electric current manifest in the light bulb as light. Now if we say the light that emanates from the light bulb is exactly the same as electric current, would it be logical conclusion?
I see your point. But in all fairness, I asked a very legitimate question from kmaherali if he could provide any verifiable reference where Imam said He is Mazhar-e-dhat-e-Ilahi. I mean would you not be interested to see such reference?Admin wrote:There are no questions that bothers me, this Forum has been very open and tolerant. We do not want o see repetition of the same argument, this serve no purpose and waste only time of users, internet bandwidth and disk space..
tret,tret wrote:I see your point. But in all fairness, I asked a very legitimate question from kmaherali if he could provide any verifiable reference where Imam said He is Mazhar-e-dhat-e-Ilahi. I mean would you not be interested to see such reference?Admin wrote:There are no questions that bothers me, this Forum has been very open and tolerant. We do not want o see repetition of the same argument, this serve no purpose and waste only time of users, internet bandwidth and disk space..
Didn't I say that this statement was made by MHI to a group of Ismaili scholars at the IIS
Didn't I say that one of the scholars present in the meeting told us students. I was one of the students.
Are you expecting a published document in this regard?
The only way you can deny this is by considering me a liar which of course is your prerogative.
Batini statements have batini ways of being communicated. Ours is an esoteric tradition after all.
Dear kmahaerali,kmaherali wrote:tret,
Didn't I say that this statement was made by MHI to a group of Ismaili scholars at the IIS
Didn't I say that one of the scholars present in the meeting told us students. I was one of the students.
Are you expecting a published document in this regard?
The only way you can deny this is by considering me a liar which of course is your prerogative.
Batini statements have batini ways of being communicated. Ours is an esoteric tradition after all.
I recollect very well that you had mentioned before that MHI mentioned it verbally to a group of IIS students.
However, in response to Mazhar, you stated that we have IIS guidance. This made me think that maybe you are referring to an article or a document stating this. That was the only reason I asked this again.
kmaherali, I would never allow myself to even think that you are a liar. Please if you have got that impression, forgive me then. I didn't intend for you to get that impression at all.
This has been discussed at least three times. Here is the link to my last post on it.tret wrote:Whatever meaning you pick for Mazhar, it is still not the same as God Himself!! If it was the same and identical, the term wouldn't have been used! It's only logical.
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... &start=270
It is somewhere in the middle of the page.
To Admin:Ya Ali Madad.
what a beauty of a posting by you.
i wish hat you put the whole text of khutba e bhayan on heading of the website for one whole month.
more than 50% of ginans n qasidas with hi spiritual value ( not story telling)
are composed from this farman/order.
ALI said is in simple language as most population were not literates as time imam raises the level of statements in same essence.
ignorant do understand those words even said by MHI.
1.IMAMAT is beyond comprehension.
2.I am spiritual father( not mother by an chance).
3. TO be observed FOR THOSE WITH LESSER BELIEFS as 'mazar dith e ilahi.
A LIVING persona of God worthy of praying.
4.I AM THE BEARER OF NOOR.
and from many many extracts of BUK majlis farmans.
he fear nobody.
world has to be fearful of god n not viceversa.
when he does open up he will say he is ALI the God as also took names of allah. eliah,krishna,etc etc given out from prophets of those time.
what a beauty of a posting by you.
i wish hat you put the whole text of khutba e bhayan on heading of the website for one whole month.
more than 50% of ginans n qasidas with hi spiritual value ( not story telling)
are composed from this farman/order.
ALI said is in simple language as most population were not literates as time imam raises the level of statements in same essence.
ignorant do understand those words even said by MHI.
1.IMAMAT is beyond comprehension.
2.I am spiritual father( not mother by an chance).
3. TO be observed FOR THOSE WITH LESSER BELIEFS as 'mazar dith e ilahi.
A LIVING persona of God worthy of praying.
4.I AM THE BEARER OF NOOR.
and from many many extracts of BUK majlis farmans.
he fear nobody.
world has to be fearful of god n not viceversa.
when he does open up he will say he is ALI the God as also took names of allah. eliah,krishna,etc etc given out from prophets of those time.
What if Allah's Noor says this. Is Allah lying according to you! God forbid, you have such a low respect for Allah's Noor speaking theough the Eternal Imam.
The religion which follows the Imam is THE Islam. You refused to bow down to Adam according to Allah's instruction and now you want to try to convince others to do the same?
The religion which follows the Imam is THE Islam. You refused to bow down to Adam according to Allah's instruction and now you want to try to convince others to do the same?