Sunni - Shia split. Fatimah (Zahra's) sermon in the Mosque.

[fayaz006]

It is often mentioned by Sunnis that Shia and Sunni split occurred significant time after the Pophet's death. In reality the split had already occurred immediately after the Prophet's death, when Abu Bakr dis inherited Bibi Fatima from Fadak. Below is her sermon that she delivered in the Mosque.

Please read the Sermon in its entirety. This is where i think the split between the Majority and Shia who follow the Ahle-Bayt truly occured in its entirety.

"At the mosque, she she sat down and delivered the following speech, which was narrated by Allamah Tabarsi in "Ehtejaj" which can also be read in Urdu in "Seerate-Fatima Zahra (as)by Marhum Sultan Mirza :

'Praise be to Allah for that which He bestowed (upon us); And thanks be to Him for all that which He inspired; and commended in His Name for that which He Provided: Form prevalent favors which He created, And abundant benefactions which He offered and perfect grants which He presented; (such benefactions) that their number is much too plentiful to compute; Bounties too vast to measure; Their limit was too distant to realize; He recommended to them (His creatures) to gain more (of His benefaction) by being grateful for their continuity; He ordained Himself praiseworthy by giving generously to His creatures; I bear witness that there is no God but Allah Who is One without partner, a statement which sincere devotion is made to be its interpretation; hearts guarantee its con­tinuation, and illuminated in the minds is its sensibility. He Who can not be perceived with vision; neither be described with tongues; nor can imagination surround His state.

He originated things but not from anything that existed be­fore them, and created them with­out examples to follow. Rather, He created them with His might and dispersed them according to His will; not for a need did He create them; nor for a benefit (for Him) did He shape them, But to establish His wisdom, Bring attention to His obedi­ence, manifest His might, lead His creatures to humbly vene­rate Him, and to exalt His decrees. He then made the reward for His obedience, and punishment for his dis­obedience, so as to protect His creatures from His Wrath and amass them into His Paradise.

I too bear witness that my Father, Muhammad, is His Slave and Messenger, Whom He chose prior to sending him, named him before sending him; when creatures were still concealed in that which was transcendental, guarded from that which was appalling, and associated with the termination and nonexistence. For Allah the Exalted knew that which was to follow, comprehended that which will come to pass, And realized the place of every event. Allah has sent him (Muhammad) as perfection for His commands, a resolution to accomplish His rule, and an implementation of the decrees of His Mercy. So he found the nations to vary in their faiths; Obsessed by their fires, Worshipping their idols, And denying Allah despite their knowledge of Him. Therefore, Allah illuminated their darkness with my Father, Muhammad, uncovered obscurity from their hearts, and cleared the clouds from their insights. He revealed guidance among the people; So he delivered them from being led astray, led them away from misguidance, guided them to the proper religion, and called them to the straight path.

Allah then chose to recall him back in mercy, love and pre­ference. So, Muhammad is in comfort from the burden of this world, he is surrounded with devoted angels, the satisfaction of the Merciful Lord, and the nearness of the powerful King.

So may the praise of Allah be upon my Father, His Prophet, Trusted one, the chosen one from among His creatures, and His sincere friend, and may peace and blessings of Allah be upon him.'

Fatima (A) then turned to the crowd and said:



'Surely you are Allah's slaves at His command Prohibition; You are the bearers of His religion and revelation; You are Allah's trusted ones with yourselves; and His messengers to the nations. Amongst you does He have righteous authority; A covenant He brought unto you, and an heir He left to guard you; That is The eloquent book of Allah; The truthful Quran; The brilliant light; The shining beam; Its insights are indisputable; Its secrets are revealed; Its indications are manifest; and its followers are blessed by it. (The Quran) leads its adherents to goodwill; and Hearing it leads to salvation; with it are the bright divine authorities achieved, His manifest determination acquired, His prohibited decrees avoided; His manifest evidence recognized; His satisfying proofs made apparent, His permissions granted, and His laws written.

So Allah made belief to be purification for you from poly­theism. He made Prayer, An exaltation for you from conceit. Alms -A purification for the soul and a (cause of) growth in subsistence. Fasting an implantation of devotion. Pilgrimage -A construction of religion. Justice -A harmony of the hearts; obeying us (Ahlul-Bayt)­Management of the nation. Our leadership (Ahlul-Bayt), Safeguard from disunity. Jihad (struggle)­ a strengthening of Islam. Patience -A helping course for deserving (divine) reward. Ordering goodness (Amr Bil Maruf)­ Public welfare. Kindness to the parents­ A safeguard from wrath. Maintaining close relations with one's kin -A cause for a longer life and multiplying the number of descend­ants. Retaliation (Qesas)-For sparing blood (souls). Fulfillment of vows-subjecting oneself to mercy. Completion of weights and measures -A cause for preventing the neglect of others' rights. Forbiddance of drinking wines an exaltation from atrocity. Avoiding slander -A veil from curse. Abandoning theft-a reason for deserving chastity. Allah has also prohibited polytheism so that one can devote himself to His Lordship.

Therefore; Fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam; Obey Allah in that which He has commanded you to do and that which He has forbidden, for surely those truly fear among His servants, who have knowledge.'


Lady Fatima Zahra (A) then added:

'O People! Be informed that I am Fatima, and my father is Muhammad I say that repeatedly and initiate it continually; I say not what I say mistakenly, nor do I do what I do aimlessly.

Now hath come unto you an Apostle from amongst yourselves; It grieves him that you should perish; Ardently anxious is he over you; To the believers he is most kind and merciful. Thus, if you identify and recog­nize him, you shall realize that he is my father and not the father of any of your women; the brother of my cousin (Ali (A)) rather than any of your men. What an excellent identity he was, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and his descendants Thus, he propagated the Message, by coming out openly with the warning, and while inclined away from the path of the polytheists, (whom he) struck their strength and seized their throats, while he invited (all) to the way of his Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching He destroyed idols, and defeated heroes, until their group fled and turned their backs. So night revealed its dawn; righteousness uncovered its genuineness; the voice of the religious authority spoke out loud; the evil discords were silenced; The crown of hypocrisy was diminished; the tightening of infidelity and desertion were untied,

So you spoke he statement of devotion amongst a band of starved ones; and you were on the edge of a hole of fire;(you were) the drink of the thirsty one; the opportunity of the desiring one; the fire brand of him who passes in haste; the step for feet; you used to drink from the water gathered on roads; eat jerked meat. (Lady Fatima (A) was stating their lowly situation before Islam) You were despised outcasts always in fear of abduction from those around you. Yet, Allah rescued you through my father, Muhammad after much ado, and after he was confronted by mighty men, the Arab beasts, and the demons of the people of the Book Who, whenever they ignited the fire of war, Allah extinguished it; and whenever the thorn of the devil appeared, or a mouth of the polytheists opened wide in defiance, he would strike its discords with his brother (Ali, (A)), who comes not back until he treads its wing with the sole of his feet, and extinguishes its flames with his sword. (Ali is) diligent in Allah's affair, near to the Messenger of Allah, A master among Allah's worshippers, setting to work briskly, sincere in his advice, earnest and exerting himself (in service to Islam); While you were calm, gay, and feeling safe in your comfort­able lives, waiting for us to meet disasters, awaiting the spread of news, you fell back during every battle, and took to your heels at times of fighting. Yet, When Allah chose His Prophet from the dwell of His prophets, and the abode of His sincere (servants); The thorns of hypocrisy appeared on you, the garment of faith became worn out, The misguided ignorant(s) spoke out, the sluggish ignorant came to the front and brayed. The he camel of the vain wiggled his tail in your courtyards and the your courtyards and the Devil stuck his head from its place of hiding and called upon you, he found you respon­sive to his invitation, and observing his deceits.

He then aroused you and found you quick (to answer him), and invited you to wrath, therefore; you branded other than your camels and proceeded to other than your drinking places. Then while the era of the Prophet was still near, the gash was still wide, the scar had not yet healed, and the Messenger was not yet buried. A (quick) undertaking as you claimed, aimed at preventing discord (trial), Surely, they have fallen into trial already! And indeed Hell surrounds the unbelievers. How preposterous! What an idea!

What a falsehood! For Allah's Book is still amongst you, its affairs are apparent; its rules are manifest; its signs are dazzling; its restrictions are visible, and its commands are evident. Yet, indeed you have casted it behind your backs! What! Do you detest it? Or according to something else you wish to rule? Evil would be the exchange for the wrongdoers! And if anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), it never will it be accepted from him; And in the hereafter, he will be in the ranks of those who have lost. Surely you have not waited until its stampede seized, and it became obedient. You then started arousing its flames, instigating its coal, complying with the call of the misled devil, quenching the light of the manifest reli­gion, and extinguished the light of the sincere Prophet. You concealed sips on froth and proceeded towards his (the Prophet) kin and children in swamps and forests (meaning you plot against them in deceitful ways), but we are patient with you as if we are being notched with knives and stung by spearheads in our abdomens, Yet-now you claim that there is not inheritance for us! What! "Do they then seek after a judgment of (the Days of)ignorance? But How, for a people whose faith is assured, can give better judgment than Allah? Don't you know? Yes, indeed it is obvious to you that I am his daughter.

O Muslims! Will my inheritance be usurped? O son of Abu Quhafa! Where is it in the Book of Allah that you inherit your father and I do not inherit mine? Surely you have come up with an unprecedented thing. Do you intentionally abandon the Book of Allah and cast it behind your back? Do you not read where it says: And Sulaiman inherited Dawood'?

And when it narrates the story of Zakariya and says: `So give me an heir as from thyself (One that) will inherit me, and inherit the posterity of Yaqoob' And: `But kindred by hood have prior rights against each other in the Book of Allah'

And: Allah (thus) directs you as regards your children's (inheritance) to the male, a portion equal to that of two females' And, If he leaves any goods, that he make a bequest to parents and next of kin, according to reasonable usage; this is due from the pious ones.' You claim that I have no share! And that I do not inherit my father! What! Did Allah reveal a (Quranic) verse regarding you, from which He excluded my father? Or do you say: `These (Fatima and her father) are the people of two faiths, they do not inherit each other?!' Are we not, me and my father, a people adhering to one faith? Or is it that you have more knowledge about the specifi­cations and generalizations of the Quran than my father and my cousin (Imam Ali)? So, here you are! Take it! (Ready with) its nose rope and saddled! But if shall encounter you on the Day of Gathering; (thus) what a wonder­ful judge is Allah, a claimant is Muhammad, and a day is the Day of Rising. At the time of the Hour shall the wrongdoers lose; and it shall not benefit you to regret (your actions) then! For every Message, there is a time limit; and soon shall ye know who will be inflicted with torture that will humiliate him, and who will be confronted by an everlasting punishment. (Fatima then turned towards the Ansars and said:) O you people of intellect! The strong supporters of the nation! And those who embraced Islam; What is this short-coming in defending my right? And what is this slumber (while you see) injustice (being done toward me)? Did not the Messenger of Allah, my father, used to say: A man is upheld (remembered) by his children'? O how quick have you violated (his orders)?! How soon have you plotted against us? But you still are capable (of helping me in) my attempt, and powerful (to help me) in that which I request and (in) my pursuit (of it). Or do you say: "Muhammad has perished;"

Surely this is a great calamity; Its damage is excessive its injury is great, Its wound (is much too deep) to heal. The Earth became darkened with his departure; the stars eclipsed for his calamity; hopes were seized; mountains submitted; sanctity was violated, and holiness was encroached upon after his death. Therefore, this, by Allah, is the great affliction, and the grand calamity; there is not an affliction-which is the like of it; nor will there be a sudden misfortune (as surprising as this).

The Book of Allah-excellent in praising him-announced in the courtyards (of your houses) in the place where you spend your evenings and mornings; A call, A cry, A recitation, and (verses) in order. It had previously came upon His (Allah's) Prophets and Messengers; (for it is) A decree final, and a pre­destination fulfilled: "Muhammad is not but an Apostle: Many were the apostles that passed away before him. If he died or was slain, will ye then turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude." O you people of reflection; will I be usurped the inheritance of my father while you hear and see me?! (And while) You are sitting and gathered around me? You hear my call, and are included in the (news of the) affair? (But) You are numerous and well equipped! (You have) the means and the power, and the weapons and the shields. Yet, the call reaches you but you do not answer; the cry comes to you but you do not come to help? (This) While you are characterized by struggle, known for goodness and welfare, the selected group (which was chosen), and the best ones chosen by the Messenger for us, Ahlul-Bayt. You fought the Arabs, bore with pain and exhaustion, struggled against the nations, and resisted their heroes. We were still, so were you in ordering you, and you in obeying us. So that Islam became triumphant, the accomplishment of the days came near, the fort of polytheism was subjected, the outburst of was subjected, the outburst of infidelity calmed down, and the system of religion was well-ordered. Thus, (why have you) become con­fused after clearness? Conceal matters after announcing them? Turned on your heels after daring? Associated (others with Allah) after believing? Will you not fight people who violated their oaths? Plotted to expel the Apostle and became aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if you believe!

Nevertheless, I see that you are inclined to easy living; dismissed he who is more worthy of guardianship (Ali (A)); You secluded yourselves with meekness and dismissed that which you accepted. Yet, if you show ingratitude, ye and all on earth together, yet, Allah free of all wants, worthy of all praise. Surely I have said all that I have said with full knowledge that you intent to forsake me, and knowing the betrayal that your hearts sensed. But it is the state of soul, the effusion of fury, the dissemination of (what is) the chest and the presentation of the proof. Hence, Here it is! Bag it (leadership and) put it on the back of an ill she­ camel, which has a thin hump with everlasting grace, marked with the wrath of Allah, and the blame of ever (which leads to) the Fire of (the wrath of Allah kindled (to a blaze), that which doth mount (right) to the hearts; For, Allah witnesses what you do, and soon will the unjust assailants know what vicissitudes their affairs will take! And I am the daughter of a warner (the Prophet) to you against a severe punishment. So, act and so will we, and wait, and we shall wait.'"

[kmaherali]

What a falsehood! For Allah's Book is still amongst you, its affairs are apparent; its rules are manifest; its signs are dazzling; its restrictions are visible, and its commands are evident. Yet, indeed you have casted it behind your backs!

She mentions Allah's Book when the Qur'an was not compiled! Which book would she be referring to ?

Also MSMS mentions in his Memoirs:

"The Prophet died without appointing a Khalif or successor. The Shia school of thought maintains that although direct Divine inspiration ceased at the Prophet's death, the need of Divine guidance continued and this could not be left merely to millions of mortal men, subject to the whims and gust of passion and material necessity, capable of being momentarily but tragically misled by greed, by oratory, or by the sudden desire for material advantage. These dangers were manifest in the period immediately following our Holy Prophet's death."

[fayaz006]

What a falsehood! For Allah's Book is still amongst you, its affairs are apparent; its rules are manifest; its signs are dazzling; its restrictions are visible, and its commands are evident. Yet, indeed you have casted it behind your backs!

She mentions Allah's Book when the Qur'an was not compiled! Which book would she be referring to ?

Also MSMS mentions in his Memoirs:

"The Prophet died without appointing a Khalif or successor. The Shia school of thought maintains that although direct Divine inspiration ceased at the Prophet's death, the need of Divine guidance continued and this could not be left merely to millions of mortal men, subject to the whims and gust of passion and material necessity, capable of being momentarily but tragically misled by greed, by oratory, or by the sudden desire for material advantage. These dangers were manifest in the period immediately following our Holy Prophet's death."

Hello KM
Its a very valid question indeed and one i shall be putting to our students today. For me and you,i believe the answer is pretty clear.

[mazhar]

Dear Fayyaz006,
I do not think split was because of property of Fadak. I do not believe that bibi Fatima insisted on the inheritance of a piece of land. Also 10 wives of Prophet Muhammad pbuh were alive they should have asked for the inheritance according to law of wirasat as mentioned in Surah Nissa'. Also according to history bibi Fatima passed away 6 months after demise of Prophet pbuh. That sermon look exaggerated, as Shias on later dates made Fadak a political issue. The real Sunni/ Shia split occured during the caliphat of Mowla Ali. At that time Arabia split into 2 groups, named Shi'aan e Ali and Shi'aan e Mu'awiyyah. Shi'aan e Mu'awiyyah evaporated after the event of Karballa, because
Al Mukhtar Saqafi and Hazrat Muhammad Hanfia ( son of Mowla Ali also in our community known as Amir Pir; Mowla Ali had 14 sons and 17 daughters) took revenge of Karballa and killed mostly the main characters who participated against Imam Hussain. By the way Mowla Ali compiled the Quran in life time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

[fayaz006]

Dear Fayyaz006,
I do not think split was because of property of Fadak. I do not believe that bibi Fatima insisted on the inheritance of a piece of land. Also 10 wives of Prophet Muhammad pbuh were alive they should have asked for the inheritance according to law of wirasat as mentioned in Surah Nissa'. Also according to history bibi Fatima passed away 6 months after demise of Prophet pbuh. That sermon look exaggerated, as Shias on later dates made Fadak a political issue. The real Sunni/ Shia split occured during the caliphat of Mowla Ali. At that time Arabia split into 2 groups, named Shi'aan e Ali and Shi'aan e Mu'awiyyah. Shi'aan e Mu'awiyyah evaporated after the event of Karballa, because
Al Mukhtar Saqafi and Hazrat Muhammad Hanfia ( son of Mowla Ali also in our community known as Amir Pir; Mowla Ali had 14 sons and 17 daughters) took revenge of Karballa and killed mostly the main characters who participated against Imam Hussain. By the way Mowla Ali compiled the Quran in life time of Prophet Muhammad pbuh.

Mazhar what evidence do you have that the above sermon is an exaggeration. The sermon was translated into English by a well known author and to be honest this is the first time somebody has mentioned to me that the sermon is an exaggeration. This is where the split between those who loved ahl-e-bayat and those who usurped their authority and property truly occurred. As a matter of a fact history also atests to the fact that Hz Ali did not give his allegiance to Abu Bakr in the life of Fatima.

I can also make an argument that the split occurred the minute Abu Bakr was elected. That was the usurpation of Hz. Ali's authority. It is however your choice to believe the above sermon as a fact or not.

Also to your point of Hz Ali compiling the Quran in the life time of Prophet Mohammad is incorrect. Every history that I have read has it been compiled during the rein of Uthman.

[agakhani]

Mazhar,
Shia word first time used during the time of prophet Moses (musa) means Shias Were there before prophet Mohd.

[Admin]

Also to your point of Hz Ali compiling the Quran in the life time of Prophet Mohammad is incorrect. Every history that I have read has it been compiled during the rein of Uthman.

Obviously you are not aware of the fact that when Usman's people were compiling the Quran, Hazrat Ali went to see them and tell them they were doind a useless excercise as he had already a compilation with him. This is confirmed also by our 48th Imam.

But in any case he only thing relevant about the matter is that the present compilation did not exist when Allah declared that "Today I have completed your Religion" and did not exist at the time of the Prophet (PBUH)

[fayaz006]

Also to your point of Hz Ali compiling the Quran in the life time of Prophet Mohammad is incorrect. Every history that I have read has it been compiled during the rein of Uthman.

Obviously you are not aware of the fact that when Usman's people were compiling the Quran, Hazrat Ali went to see them and tell them they were doind a useless excercise as he had already a compilation with him. This is confirmed also by our 48th Imam.

But in any case he only thing relevant about the matter is that the present compilation did not exist when Allah declared that "Today I have completed your Religion" and did not exist at the time of the Prophet (PBUH)

Agreed with your point admin. I am aware that Hz Ali did present his compilation of the Quran to Uthman. I was not however aware that this work had been done during the life of the prophet As Mazhar stated. If this is case I stand corrected.

[zznoor]

From the article in wickiped

Titled " History of the Quran"

Quote:

Collection of the Quran

Due to the fact that the Quran was revealed in disjointed verses and chapters, a point came when it needed to be gathered into a coherent whole text. There are disagreements among both Muslim and non-Muslim scholars as to when the Quran was compiled. Some believe Muhammad compiled it before he died, while others believe it was collected by either Ali ibn Abu Talib or Abu Bakr.

Muhammad

The society during the time of Muhammad was predominantly oral and for this reason he would recite the Quranic verses to his Companions and instruct them to memorize it. Due to this, people question whether the Quran was ever written and collected during the time of Muhammad. While writing was not a common skill during Muhammad’s time, Mecca, being the commercial center, had a number of people who could write. Some scholars believe that up to 48 scribes including Zayd ibn Thabit and Ubay ibn Ka'b recorded verses of the Quran.] This provides an explanation as to how the Quran existed in written form during the life of Muhammad, even if it was not compiled into one text.

Most Sunni and Shia scholars believe that the Quran was written down in its entirety at the time of Muhammad’s death. Muhammad's cousin Ibn Abbas describes the way in which the final version of the Quran was fixed: “the prophet recited the book before Gabriel every year in the month of Ramadan, and in the month in which he died he recited it before him twice.”[11] It is believed that the term “reciting the Quran twice” means compiling all the Quranic revelations into a complete and final version. It is understood that toward the end of Muhammad’s life a special act of revelation occurred in which a final and complete version of the Quran was created. The term 'recite', which is used here, is referring to the custom where a Quranic scholar recites the entire Quran from beginning to end a number of times before a senior scholar. According to this tradition the act of recital is being performed by Muhammad, with angel Gabriel playing the role of superior authority.[12]

In one of the hadith Muhammad supposedly said, “I leave among you two things of high estimation: the Book of God and my Family.”[13] Some scholars argue that this provides evidence that the Quran had been collected and written during this time because it is not correct to call something al-kitab (book) when it is merely in the [people’s] memories. The word al-kitab signifies a single and united entity and does not apply to a text which is scattered and not collected.[14]

Another argument these scholars bring up is the importance that Muhammad attached to the Quran. They believe that since Muhammad put so much importance to the Quran he had to have ordered the writing of it during his lifetime. For example, Zayd ibn Thabit reported, “We used to record the Quran from parchments in the presence of the Messenger of God.”[15]

Some authors believe that, as long as Muhammad was alive, there was always the expectation of further revelation as well as occasional abrogations. Any formal collection of the material already revealed could not properly be considered a complete text.[16]



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One can find many articles on "compilation of Quran" those who belive it is complete has quran in hand and every copy of Shia and Sunni is same.
Those who belive that some individuals are Bolta Quran. This individuals are not reciting it. They are totally silent
Those who claimed to have additional 10 chapters plus changed or ommated portions died without writing single word

[zznoor]

Hz Ali followed Quran and Sunna of Prophet therefore he was Sunni

Hz Hassan followed Quran and Sunna of Prophet therefore he was Sunni

Hz Hussein followed Quran and Sunna of Prophet therefore he was Sunni

All imams up to Hz Jafar followed Quran and Sunna of Prophet therefore they were Sunni

Shiasm took root after imam Jafar

[zznoor]

fayaz006 wrote:

Also to your point of Hz Ali compiling the Quran in the life time of Prophet Mohammad is incorrect. Every history that I have read has it been compiled during the rein of Uthman.

Just serch for Compilation of Quran and increase your knowledge

[kmaherali]

There is a related thread on final reconciliation at:

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... nciliation