I mean any official declaration from any Imams that this is an 'ISMAILI ANTHEM"? Date and place ?
I am not sure where you are coming from
-I am coming from that sect whom our 46,47 & 48th imams told many times their family members !!
- I am coming from that tradition which is almost 400 years older than Khoja tradition!!!
- I am coming from that faith and ritual who believes Imams is every thing for them. need more clarification?
If you are coming from a tradition 400 years older than the khojas, you should be very very old in age and may even not be "Ismaili" as the first khojas were converted in the time of Imam Ismail. Read a little bit before spreading myths.
In matters of faith, our present Imam has said you can not measure it. So you have overuled his Farmans many times by thinking you are superior. Hazrat Ali said that value of a person does not come from the decaying bones of his ancestors.... I would add that decaying bones of khojas and persian ancestors may very much look alike
Who told you that khoja were converted during the time of Imam Ismail? do you think every body in this forum are dumb like you? I think you need to study even more not me or anybody else!!
As per your bad habit and to keep everybody down in this forum you always had made up stories without knowledge i.e what is right and what is wrong for a example look above! you wrote that Khojas were during Imam Ismail time!! what a big lie from you admin, shame to adminf for writing this big lie!.
And off course as an Admin you do not have any rights to accuse and tell any one that he/she is not Ismaili!! ( read your past posts and find out that how many peoples you have been accused that they are not Ismailis?)
I do not think you like to put me their names here! don't you?
this is not an admin job to judge any one's faith!.
AS per the history of our pirs , off course there were no Khoja tribe there, not yet even next coming 500 years in future after Imam Ismail era!! then how the heck you can tell that Khojas were there during Imam Ismail time?
BTW:- If this is the your answer, (which is totally wrong) then let me tell you this that we "Momnas" were during H. Adam's time too !! during the time of King Harishchandra too, because we are still follow that true "satpanth" path which was taught us by our first pir Satgur Noor, Pir Shams and then after Pir Tajdin and Pir Kasam Shah, pir Sadardin did not preach us any thing as per the history of pirs.
I do not know who make you admin? a arrogant person !! a story making person! who does not have any manner! and who doesn't know how to treat with others!??!! not only this but above all! he doesn't know the real history of Khojas i.e. who converted them!! shame again one more time! you do not deserve to stay as an Admin any more but need to go in kindergarten school first to learn how to treat other person. so get lost period
agakhani wrote:Who told you that khoja were converted during the time of Imam Ismail? do you think every body in this forum are dumb like you?
There are at least one Ismaili source and 2 non-Ismaili sources saying that Imam Ismail went from Syria to Multan during 10 years. I like Ismaili sources such as that of great Persian historian Pir Shams who in his gigantic work of 10,000 verses named Man Samjani, reports this information on Chapter 153.
"Agakhani" Saheb, Instead of wasting time calling Admin names, just invest your time reading on ismailism,
Didn't I wrote earlier that reading and searching is my hobby since from childhood!?
Forget about one Ismaili source and 2 non-Ismaili sources but will you accept this reliable source which is uttered by holy mouth of our imam!!
SMS has told in his many farmans that your ancestors were Hindus and they were converted by pir Sadardin!! any answer? would you believe this source of other sources you mentioned above?
By the way Momanas converted even before pir Shams by pir Satgur Noor. history goes back more than 1000 years.
Please come back to the Thread of this discussion or go discuss your thinking in the appropriate thread.
I will transfer all of the posts from the out of thread discussion tomorrow in a separate thread.
I will reply a last time on this thread to your unrelated discussion.
I think you are mistaken. There has been Ismailis in India since the time of Imam Ismail well before the Mumnas.
Pir Sadardin converted a particular group of Indians and Lohanas and called them Khojas, he also build the first Jamatkhana in Kotada but that does not mean there were no Jamatkhanas before Pir Sadardin or that there were no Ismailis before in India. I don't think you understand the issue or how historical data are relied upon. The concept of Beej was introduced amongst Indian Ismailis much before Pir Sadardin. Pir Shams was building Jamatkhanas in India and China well before Pir Sadardin was even born.
So what if Mumnas were converted before some others in India? As Hazrat Ali said and I have quoted before, the bones of ancestors will not give anyone any value. You have to build your own value by contributing to your fellow human being and not depend on ancestors which may have been converted to Satpanth or may have been idol worshipers.
There are Ismailis from many background in India, converted over time, geography and history in the same manner they did in other countries but it is a historical fact that the very first Ismailis converted in India under Imam Ismail. The Ismaili Dawa was particularly active even in Fatimid time up to remote countries and rulers in Vietnam had at that time converted to Ismailism. It is very easy to accuse others for your own scholarly lack of knowledge and shortcomings.
As for Farmans, I suggest you read a little bit more to get a better knowledge of Ismaili history and stop rejecting whatever historical knowledge is new to you. When Imam SMS said to a specific Jamat that their ancestors were converted by Pir Sadardin, it does not mean all Indians were converted by Pir Sadardin.
Oh yes, Mowlana SMS never said that MY ancestors were converted from Hinduism. Do you know MY ancestors?
As for blowing your own horn that you are reading a lot, it is irrelevant to the subject.
