Emaan Didaar

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:08 pm

what is meant by emaan didar?why

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:36 am

Imaan (Faith) and deedar (Spiritual Vision) are the two most cherished aspects of our lives. They give vitality and purpose to our existence. In the verse below of Moman Chetamni, Sayyed Imam Shah says:

131) Eji Amaroon iman sabat rakhjo
Jethi utariya pele paar
Bijoon atloon ame ma(n)giye
Je varvar hove tamaro didar Cheto....

131. Keep our Iman strong so that I may cross this world that is like an
ocean. The next thing I ask is that I may be blessed with Your Didar frequently.

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:01 am

Thanks kbhai
Need clarification,...Do we ask maula bapa for spiritual didar or body didar?

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:37 pm

There is further discussion at:

Deedar

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... pes+deedar

Four type of Deedar

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... pes+deedar

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:46 pm

The four types of deedar discussed at:

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... 79&start=0

tret · Post by **tret** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:23 am

kmaherali wrote:The four types of deedar discussed at:

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... 79&start=0

Interesting discussion!

I would still think that jismani and zahiri didar are same, and batini and noorani didar are same.

I'd love to know the reasoning/philosophy to distinguish between them.

Post by **Admin** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:08 pm

In the same trend I heard blesings for deceased and blessings for Ruhani in the same sentence and I had always though these are the same but it looked like there are different kind of souls up there

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 12:53 pm

Jismani and Jaheri didars are different.

Yes, there are many different levels for Ruhanis, according their good and bad deeds.

Not every deceased person get right away "fanafillah" stage ( or in our language 'ASAL ME WASAL' )as they dies but they have to stay in different levels before they reach "Asal makam" .

The bad Ruhanis stay in this worldly atmosphere very close to us ( around 300-350 miles away from us)!, little better ruhanis stay little upper level of bad ruhanis, good ruhani stays upper level of better ruhanis and so on.

In these all levels ruhani keep praying repenting their bad deeds and after some times they get promoted for upper levels. the times to stay in these different levels are 30 days to 10000 years according many books on the subject of "lives after death". some ruhanis take rebirths, some ruhanis stays there for a long time, ( they do not wants to take rebirth nor they wants progress) some ruhanis select to go upper and upper till they can achieves fanafillah stage.

Some good Ruhanis retake birth for the betterment of human being.

Nobody knows how many levels are there for Ruhanis ( some say 7 some say more than 7 )but one thing is for sure that, very few ruhanis, I mean very few ruhanis can achieves "asal ma wasl") stage after their death

s.s..s. Don't tell these facts to any Sunnies cuz they do not believe in rebrith.

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:42 pm

Since we are talking about deceased person then let finish it all the way to be believe or not it is totally up to you because I know there are many in this forum they do not believe in rebirth.

What is ghost then?

Every levels/ plane of existence of Hell has a sub-plane known as hell
( NARAK in our ginanic language) . For example, the first plane of existence of Hell will have within it a sub-plane that is known as the first Narak.
Narak is reserved for the worst ghosts (demons, devils, negative energies, etc.) in Hell. The ghosts occupying the first Narak face more severe punishment and for a longer duration than those occupying the first plane of existence of Hell.

One thing I, forget to mention in above post that you can tell these different levels of planes as heaven or hell (SWARG AND NARAK in our ginanic language)

[email protected] · Post by **[email protected]** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 8:55 am

thanks Abhai for such precious information.
Thanks K and Tbhai for links...

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:42 pm

Admin wrote:In the same trend I heard blesings for deceased and blessings for Ruhani in the same sentence and I had always though these are the same but it looked like there are different kind of souls up there

In response to one of the questions asked by a group of missionaries Mowlana Sultan Muhamad Shah stated the following regarding rebirth.

"Obviously reborn means in a higher sphere than this earth. Without going to the final spiritual sphere there will be further triumph before the highest points are reached unless those highest points are reached in this world and on this earth by the general rules of the Ismaili faith beginning with kindness, gentleness, etc and going up to highest love of union with Imam."

There is also a very illuminating description of reincarnation and the astral worlds in Chapter 43 of the Autobiography of a Yogi at:

http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chap43.php

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:21 pm

Kbhai,
Looks like you are much impressed about that book "an autobiography of a yogi" of swami Muktanand because you referenced this book many times before. it is a gold book I read it twice but some how I do not agree with his guru Yukteshwar"s calculation, I remember that we already discussed this topic couple years ago and defended my point of views that every religions calling this time ks as "KALI YUG" but he says that nope this is not aKali yug but it is sat yug!
just a freindly reminder his this theory has been criticized before. and I informed you couple years ago too!
I can suggest you better books than this, if want to know the names of simalar books like above please let me know.

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:31 pm

agakhani wrote:Kbhai,
Looks like you are much impressed about that book "an autobiography of a yogi" of swami Muktanand because you referenced this book many times before. it is a gold book I read it twice but some how I do not agree with his guru Yukteshwar"s calculation, I remember that we already discussed this topic couple years ago and defended my point of views that every religions calling this time ks as "KALI YUG" but he says that nope this is not aKali yug but it is sat yug!
just a freindly reminder his this theory has been criticized before. and I informed you couple years ago too!
I can suggest you better books than this, if want to know the names of simalar books like above please let me know.

Abhai,

Can you re-read the thread on Yugas and post your remarks there so that we can have further discussion on the topic. The thread is at:

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... pic&t=4616

agakhani · Post by **agakhani** » Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:15 pm

Kbhai,
Sure let me read it alongwith the book "The Holy Science" of swami Yukteshwar and other books and then after we will discuss further more.

One thing I should confess here that even I do not tell you all the time but I have learned lot from your posts and therefore I was worried and inquired about yourself during your year long absence in this forum!

I come here to learn some thing new which I do not know, and you have vast knowledge on various topics let me give you one example for that about a poem written by kavi Jaydev and the name of his poem is GIT GOVINDAM " first I thought nobody in this forum know about a great poem but I was wrong. I read your post and commenys on it and I saluted you as a true scholar in this forum.period

kmaherali · Post by **kmaherali** » Tue Oct 14, 2014 1:51 am

agakhani wrote:Kbhai,
Sure let me read it alongwith the book "The Holy Science" of swami Yukteshwar and other books and then after we will discuss further more.

Thank you Abhai,

For those interested in the book. It is available online at:

https://archive.org/details/HolyScience

mahebubchatur · Post by **mahebubchatur** » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:13 am

[email protected] wrote:Thanks kbhai
Need clarification,...Do we ask maula bapa for spiritual didar or body didar?

We must always seek both, Zahiri and batini, dedaar, for us and for the Ruhani. The Zahiri and the batini, are both an integral, and equally important parts of our faith & lives. Imam also reminds us that our faith is a part of our daily lives and so our daily lives are also a part of our faith. Ameen.

nuseri · Post by **nuseri** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:18 am

Ya Ali Madad:
The words Imaan and Didar are two different word with different meanings.
Usually we prays for lot of blessings like for Imaan and different type of
didars.
So the short form used by mukhi to acknowledge both is the word
Imaan(faith) Didar(vision) naseeb kare.
there is no per se Imaan Didar by a class in its self.
Didar as we know are zahir,Baatin n noorani.
Imaan is most important blessing by itself to reach Haqiqati level n beyond.
If Imam as tariqat level is the end?
then we do ask for More Imaan or seek Haqiqati Samaj.
All our tasbih is for elevation of Our Imaan and see Imam visually at higher
platfrom of ones soul that is baatin n further on.

Is there a word ImaanDidar coined by any Imam and it's meaning said
by the Imam I wish to know of it.

Emaan Didaar

Emaan Didaar

What is Ghost then?

Deedar