That is true Admin means you have knowledge from all over, not long ago I fnished a book of Dominique Shila Khan abiut the name of this book I am not pretty sure but it was some like this "Ismailis in Rajasthan".
This books tells lots about Ramdev pir and his connection with Ismailism .
I suggest to read if you have interest in our past history.
Dait kalinga
To AgaKhani:Ya Ali Madad.
I wish to know in what subject/field you hold PhD degree ?????
I assume it is in Gujarati language.
it is great.
They say in Mumbai that language of labour is Marathi
language of office is English and language of money is Gujarati.
The forum knows of ShamsB field.My salutations to him
I wish to know in what subject/field you hold PhD degree ?????
I assume it is in Gujarati language.
it is great.
They say in Mumbai that language of labour is Marathi
language of office is English and language of money is Gujarati.
The forum knows of ShamsB field.My salutations to him
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The whole ginan is the dialogue between king of China ( daint Kalinga) and Surja Rani ( Jamat ) in this ginan Pir Shams beautifully predicted what will happen at that time , i.e. during Zahurat time.
Please read it here, and also read the summary of mine after the ginan:-
Eji Jaake paachham dise ne khanddh eraak maanhe
setar dip minjaar ho ji;
ghar sar vadhaayun tiyaan bahu range hoe se,
ne raaj kare chhe dhanni maaro ... ho ji...
naasare naasare tun daint kaalingaa,
paachham thi dhanni aave ho ji;
khonn navaannu taaro khuddie tale jaae se,
na jaannu sehen taaro sie mukhe jaaese;
tab tuje konn chhoddaave ho ji 1
Naasare: Run away
Khonn: One division of an army, normally 10,000 or 32,000 soldiers
Khuddie tale: under horses’ feet
Daint: The Lord’s enemy
Daannav: The Lord’s enemy (but more sly)
Surjaa: Daint’s wife
Kamlaa: Daint’s son
Ajiaa & Vijiaa: Daint’s daughters
Pir Shams says in the ginaan that when Our Lord will come from the west (west of India), from Iraq, the houses of momins will be blessed. Our Lord will rule.
Pir says: I do not know where the army of Daint will disappear, I do not know who will give you (Daint) freedom.
Kamal means lotus. The lotus grows in muddy water. The lotus is beautiful and scented. The lotus (Kamlaa) is the momin who lives in the country where there is no religion.
Ajiaa means the one who cannot be defeated. This is the Jamat’s strength. No one can conquer the Jamat.
Vijiaa means victorious or successful. This is the Jamat’s prayers. Prayers will give the Jamat success.
Surjaa means an alert mind; a woman who is clever and alert. This is the Jamat. The wife is normally weaker than the husband and similarly, Satpanth jamat will live in Daint country and will be much smaller in number than the forces of Daint.
Satpanth jamat has been in China for over 1,100 years.
The Daint will have a regular army of 6.6m soldiers.
Daint will be science based.
Pir has said that Daint will make “goor” out of tar (saccharin is made out of residue today), and will make ghee out of water (margarine is vegetable ghee today) and that the paper will talk like a parrot (newspapers and TV news)
Eji Paachham disene tanbal vaajase,
vaaje te gor nishaan ho ji;
trann trann bhavanme Shaah maaro haank dilaave,
ne seje kilaave Sultaan ho ji. - naasare 2
Tambal vaajashe: announcement will be made
Gor nishaan: dark before the war, it will be tense
Trann bhavan: jamin, aasmaan and paataal – everyone will receive the news
Haank: declaration
Sultaan: King (Islamic term) – Imam will be declared King of the Islam
Communism will expand and religion will decline.
12 kos = 25 miles (1 kos is 2 miles). This means that there will be one momin every 25 miles – divaa jalegaa – one light every 25 miles.
Another ginaan: thar thar moman bhaai koi koi rahese, ati jaago viraa bhaai, ati jaago – means that mind will not be stable (with stable imaan), very few momins will have true faith. The stability of their faith will be questioned by the events.
There will be many small wars. The Muslims and the communists (China) will get together. The Christians will be defeated. Then, about three quarters of the world will be under the communist influence.
The communists (China) will think that they do not now require the Muslims. This is when the Muslims will look for a leader. Imam of the time will become the King of Muslims (Sultan)
Then Asvaari will take place. We are probably looking forward just over one hundred years from now.
Eji Jaake chanchal chalatra pavan rath ghoddaa,
ne haathiddun Shaah sanngaare ho ji;
chhatris aayudh (hathiyaar) lai nar naklanki chaddshe,
ne chaud bhavan maan jejekaar ho ji - naasare 3
Chanchal chalatra: very astute, very clever. This refers to Imam’s work
Pavan rath: planes, the planes will be very large and able to carry large numbers of people
Chhatris aayudh: 36 types of weapons in the Lord’s army
Chaud bhavan: 14 bhavan – that is seven heavens and seven earths – all beings from these places will come to help and applaud
During the battle of Badr (there were 313 momins) and The Lord sent 3,000 angels to help.
Names of leaders of the angels who will come to assist are in the Granth Anant Akhaaddo.
Eji Jaake nauv naath ne sidh choraasi,
ne jogaddiyun kare jejekaar ho ji;
Ajiyaa ne Vajiyaa devi chamar ddharaave,
ne Kamlaa kunvar sir chhatra dharese ho ji - naasare 4
Nauv naath and sidh choraasi: these are the good people who believe in God. Sidh means one with karaamat, that is someone like a sufi or a guru or kutub or a kalandar
Ajiyaa & Vajiyaa will fan the Lord – chamar means to fan the head of the leader
Joganni: small Jamats in the world who worship and pray – will applaud on the day
Kamlaa kunvar sir chhatra: momins will be in the front and momins will rule
Eji Jaake singaddie shank sabd ghannun vaaje,
ne nauve khandde paddere bhangaann ho ji;
lakh jojan Shaah moro din panth chaale,
ne esaa karese piyaannaa ho ji - naasare 5
Singaddie shankh: trumpet – announcement of the King (Radio, TV, News)
Sabd ghannu vaaje: words of the Imam of the time will be heard
Nauv khandd: nine continents
Paddere bhangaann: will read news, or will hear the news of the Imam
Lakh jojan: one jojan is 6 miles. So lakh jojan means 600,000 miles
Shaah moro din panth chaale: Imam will cover 600,000 miles in one day. The speeds of 25,000 miles per hour will be a norm at that time.
Piyaannaa: happy arrangements
Eji Haare raanni tregannaa kott maare ati rang dise;
ne maae devtaa kare chhe kamaai ho ji;
baarei megh maaro paanni bhare chhe,
ne surje tape rasoi ho ji - naasare 6
Conversation between Daint and the Queen.
Tregannaa kott: three quarters – 75% of the world sing my name
Baarei megh: rains when I wish
Surje tape rasoi: cook with help of the sun
Eji Haare raajaa trann bhavan jivanjo daataar,
tin sun tun vaad chalaave ho ji;
chaud bhavan jivann ko saami,
teni karo sevaa to kuchh paamo ho ji - naasare 7
Queen replying to Daint.
Trann bhavan: jamin, aasmaan and paataal
Vaad chalaave: arguing – why are you arguing with the Lord. You know that he will succeed. Serve the Lord and attain your salvation.
Eji Haare raanni muvaa jivaaddun ne pirtaa pujaavun,
ne khaann khavaddaavun kotth ghoddaa ho ji,
moro te lashkar anant karoddi,
tere Shaah jidhaa lashkar thoddaa ho ji - naasare 8
Daint relies: I wake the dead, make them worship (pirtaa pujaavun)
I give food (and fuel) to the metal machines
My army is large, your Lord has a small force.
Eji Haare raajaa muaa jivraaie ne pirtaa pujaaie,
pann teraa lashkar kaachaa ho ji;
najare chaddiyo Shaah moro bhasham karese,
ne ubhaa te rehese sati saachaa ho ji - naasare 9
The Queen replies: you may wake the dead and make them worship, but your army is not very strong.
Pir Sadardin has composed the ginaan: Saami naa daal jyaare chaalshe, tyaare sat dharam ne vehvaar;
Sat joog will come again where the momins will receive all there is from the Lord.
China will become very powerful and will conquer India. In the communist world, everything will be cheap and on Imam’s side there will be few people and everything will be expensive.
Natural disasters will take place. Many of the Daint’s forces will die due to these natural disasters. Up to 75% of duniyaa will become barbaad.
Eji Haare raanni khaao piyo ne dhan kharacho hamaaro,
ne shaaho shaaho kari pukaaro ho ji;
esaa hay koi chinnab nagari maanhe,
je Surjaade raanni kun samjaave ho ji - naasare 10
Daint says: you live with me, eat my food and spend my money. Yet you say: Shaah, Shaah;
Is there anyone in China who can put some sense in Queen Surjaa
In 1921, Soviet Russia started communism. There were people like Marx and Lenin. Lenin became the communist President. Lenin said that they will remove religion within 20 years. Then the war came. After the war, they continued with the program. In 1960, they commissioned a report to see how far they were with the program. The report was published in London in 1969 and the report said that religion in Russia had actually increased.
Russia is known as Daannav by our Pirs and China is known as Daint.
Eji Haare raajaa jugaa jug hun tun ne ketij aavi,
tun kudd kyaare kaalingaa ho ji;
trann trann jug maaro kahiyo nav maaniyo,
chothe te saaheb lekhaa leshe ho ji - naasare 11
Queen replies: I have been warning you over the last three joog. You have not listened. Now in this fourth joog, my Lord will take account of your deeds.
Pirs have mentioned ratan joog which is similar to sat joog after the asvaari. Imam will make the declaration of ratan joog.
Eji Haare raanni evire vaat taaraa dev paase bhanniye,
saambhlo Surjaade raanni ho ji;
amaari nagari maanhe vaas vase chhe,
ne vaat karo aap jaanni ho ji - naasare 12
Daint says: Talk to your Lord about these things. While you are here, talk good things about me, do not talk about your Lord.
Eji Chaddere daint ne padde dal manddhann,
chinnab nagri minjaar hoji;
Ishvar, Bhirmaa tiyaan karere utaaraa,
ne aj kal dasme avtaar ho ji - naasare 13
Padde dal manddhann: fight will start
China will be extinguished and the Lord together with Brahmaa (Pir) will go to China.
Eji Haare raajaa til til kaa Shaah moro lekhaa lese,
teni Sat Gur pure chhe saankh ho ji;
nar ne pirsaade Pir Shams boliyaa,
raaj rakhisarne Shaah dese ho ji - naasare 14
Satgur pure chhe saankh: Pir is a witness to all that is said above in the ginaan.
Canada: There is a reason why Ismailis have come to Canada. Muslims, including Ismailis, will suffer in Pakistan and India. Ismailis are very well organised. We in the West, will have to give a lot of our time and knowledge to the East. We have to sacrifice in order to help our Ismailis. The wealthy in the west should consider this as a Baraka to assist the needy in the East. The majority of the Ismailis (90%) are in the East and are many are living in poverty. This is what our Imam wants from us – to assist and share.
Canada will be the seat of Ismailis. Our religion will thrive in Canada. In the future, due to political or other reasons, Imam may start Namaaz instead of Dua. But the Canadian Jamat has to remain strong in bandagi. Canadian Jamat will then bring the religion back to the East.
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Congratulation brother Atharvedi"
Well done, well explained and translated, good job indeed, now can you tell me have you really read 'ATHARVED"??!! justi kidding bro icon_rolleyes.gif
I always love listen "DAINT KALINGA" waez of RAI ABU ALI' I don'tremember now how many time I already listened it, but I am still hungry to listen it again and again. However I was missing the translation of this very important waez for a long time but thanks again brother you done it today now I can save this translation for my future use, THIS TRANSLATION IS LIKE READY REFERENCE FOR MANY READERS who have interest in the subject of Zahurat.
Let me give you more details and facts about the 'ZAHURAT" this will save you and other readers lots of times in reading, listening waez and searching related literature, this is an essence for you which I took from many waezs, ginans and Ismaili granths regarding Zahurat.
1, The day will be Thursady ( called as 'THAWAR RAT' in our ginans.)
2, The time will be evening ( actually after 4.00 p.m.)
3, Nakshatra: Rohini
4, Month as per Hindu calender : Chaitra
5, Year will be 2115, As per one waez of Rai Abu Ali.
6, The name of Imam : Imam Kasam Shah, this name is given in
"ANANAT AKHADO"
7, Country involve in War: almost every country during that time but main
countries will be China, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran.
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Please read it here, and also read the summary of mine after the ginan:-
Eji Jaake paachham dise ne khanddh eraak maanhe
setar dip minjaar ho ji;
ghar sar vadhaayun tiyaan bahu range hoe se,
ne raaj kare chhe dhanni maaro ... ho ji...
naasare naasare tun daint kaalingaa,
paachham thi dhanni aave ho ji;
khonn navaannu taaro khuddie tale jaae se,
na jaannu sehen taaro sie mukhe jaaese;
tab tuje konn chhoddaave ho ji 1
Naasare: Run away
Khonn: One division of an army, normally 10,000 or 32,000 soldiers
Khuddie tale: under horses’ feet
Daint: The Lord’s enemy
Daannav: The Lord’s enemy (but more sly)
Surjaa: Daint’s wife
Kamlaa: Daint’s son
Ajiaa & Vijiaa: Daint’s daughters
Pir Shams says in the ginaan that when Our Lord will come from the west (west of India), from Iraq, the houses of momins will be blessed. Our Lord will rule.
Pir says: I do not know where the army of Daint will disappear, I do not know who will give you (Daint) freedom.
Kamal means lotus. The lotus grows in muddy water. The lotus is beautiful and scented. The lotus (Kamlaa) is the momin who lives in the country where there is no religion.
Ajiaa means the one who cannot be defeated. This is the Jamat’s strength. No one can conquer the Jamat.
Vijiaa means victorious or successful. This is the Jamat’s prayers. Prayers will give the Jamat success.
Surjaa means an alert mind; a woman who is clever and alert. This is the Jamat. The wife is normally weaker than the husband and similarly, Satpanth jamat will live in Daint country and will be much smaller in number than the forces of Daint.
Satpanth jamat has been in China for over 1,100 years.
The Daint will have a regular army of 6.6m soldiers.
Daint will be science based.
Pir has said that Daint will make “goor” out of tar (saccharin is made out of residue today), and will make ghee out of water (margarine is vegetable ghee today) and that the paper will talk like a parrot (newspapers and TV news)
Eji Paachham disene tanbal vaajase,
vaaje te gor nishaan ho ji;
trann trann bhavanme Shaah maaro haank dilaave,
ne seje kilaave Sultaan ho ji. - naasare 2
Tambal vaajashe: announcement will be made
Gor nishaan: dark before the war, it will be tense
Trann bhavan: jamin, aasmaan and paataal – everyone will receive the news
Haank: declaration
Sultaan: King (Islamic term) – Imam will be declared King of the Islam
Communism will expand and religion will decline.
12 kos = 25 miles (1 kos is 2 miles). This means that there will be one momin every 25 miles – divaa jalegaa – one light every 25 miles.
Another ginaan: thar thar moman bhaai koi koi rahese, ati jaago viraa bhaai, ati jaago – means that mind will not be stable (with stable imaan), very few momins will have true faith. The stability of their faith will be questioned by the events.
There will be many small wars. The Muslims and the communists (China) will get together. The Christians will be defeated. Then, about three quarters of the world will be under the communist influence.
The communists (China) will think that they do not now require the Muslims. This is when the Muslims will look for a leader. Imam of the time will become the King of Muslims (Sultan)
Then Asvaari will take place. We are probably looking forward just over one hundred years from now.
Eji Jaake chanchal chalatra pavan rath ghoddaa,
ne haathiddun Shaah sanngaare ho ji;
chhatris aayudh (hathiyaar) lai nar naklanki chaddshe,
ne chaud bhavan maan jejekaar ho ji - naasare 3
Chanchal chalatra: very astute, very clever. This refers to Imam’s work
Pavan rath: planes, the planes will be very large and able to carry large numbers of people
Chhatris aayudh: 36 types of weapons in the Lord’s army
Chaud bhavan: 14 bhavan – that is seven heavens and seven earths – all beings from these places will come to help and applaud
During the battle of Badr (there were 313 momins) and The Lord sent 3,000 angels to help.
Names of leaders of the angels who will come to assist are in the Granth Anant Akhaaddo.
Eji Jaake nauv naath ne sidh choraasi,
ne jogaddiyun kare jejekaar ho ji;
Ajiyaa ne Vajiyaa devi chamar ddharaave,
ne Kamlaa kunvar sir chhatra dharese ho ji - naasare 4
Nauv naath and sidh choraasi: these are the good people who believe in God. Sidh means one with karaamat, that is someone like a sufi or a guru or kutub or a kalandar
Ajiyaa & Vajiyaa will fan the Lord – chamar means to fan the head of the leader
Joganni: small Jamats in the world who worship and pray – will applaud on the day
Kamlaa kunvar sir chhatra: momins will be in the front and momins will rule
Eji Jaake singaddie shank sabd ghannun vaaje,
ne nauve khandde paddere bhangaann ho ji;
lakh jojan Shaah moro din panth chaale,
ne esaa karese piyaannaa ho ji - naasare 5
Singaddie shankh: trumpet – announcement of the King (Radio, TV, News)
Sabd ghannu vaaje: words of the Imam of the time will be heard
Nauv khandd: nine continents
Paddere bhangaann: will read news, or will hear the news of the Imam
Lakh jojan: one jojan is 6 miles. So lakh jojan means 600,000 miles
Shaah moro din panth chaale: Imam will cover 600,000 miles in one day. The speeds of 25,000 miles per hour will be a norm at that time.
Piyaannaa: happy arrangements
Eji Haare raanni tregannaa kott maare ati rang dise;
ne maae devtaa kare chhe kamaai ho ji;
baarei megh maaro paanni bhare chhe,
ne surje tape rasoi ho ji - naasare 6
Conversation between Daint and the Queen.
Tregannaa kott: three quarters – 75% of the world sing my name
Baarei megh: rains when I wish
Surje tape rasoi: cook with help of the sun
Eji Haare raajaa trann bhavan jivanjo daataar,
tin sun tun vaad chalaave ho ji;
chaud bhavan jivann ko saami,
teni karo sevaa to kuchh paamo ho ji - naasare 7
Queen replying to Daint.
Trann bhavan: jamin, aasmaan and paataal
Vaad chalaave: arguing – why are you arguing with the Lord. You know that he will succeed. Serve the Lord and attain your salvation.
Eji Haare raanni muvaa jivaaddun ne pirtaa pujaavun,
ne khaann khavaddaavun kotth ghoddaa ho ji,
moro te lashkar anant karoddi,
tere Shaah jidhaa lashkar thoddaa ho ji - naasare 8
Daint relies: I wake the dead, make them worship (pirtaa pujaavun)
I give food (and fuel) to the metal machines
My army is large, your Lord has a small force.
Eji Haare raajaa muaa jivraaie ne pirtaa pujaaie,
pann teraa lashkar kaachaa ho ji;
najare chaddiyo Shaah moro bhasham karese,
ne ubhaa te rehese sati saachaa ho ji - naasare 9
The Queen replies: you may wake the dead and make them worship, but your army is not very strong.
Pir Sadardin has composed the ginaan: Saami naa daal jyaare chaalshe, tyaare sat dharam ne vehvaar;
Sat joog will come again where the momins will receive all there is from the Lord.
China will become very powerful and will conquer India. In the communist world, everything will be cheap and on Imam’s side there will be few people and everything will be expensive.
Natural disasters will take place. Many of the Daint’s forces will die due to these natural disasters. Up to 75% of duniyaa will become barbaad.
Eji Haare raanni khaao piyo ne dhan kharacho hamaaro,
ne shaaho shaaho kari pukaaro ho ji;
esaa hay koi chinnab nagari maanhe,
je Surjaade raanni kun samjaave ho ji - naasare 10
Daint says: you live with me, eat my food and spend my money. Yet you say: Shaah, Shaah;
Is there anyone in China who can put some sense in Queen Surjaa
In 1921, Soviet Russia started communism. There were people like Marx and Lenin. Lenin became the communist President. Lenin said that they will remove religion within 20 years. Then the war came. After the war, they continued with the program. In 1960, they commissioned a report to see how far they were with the program. The report was published in London in 1969 and the report said that religion in Russia had actually increased.
Russia is known as Daannav by our Pirs and China is known as Daint.
Eji Haare raajaa jugaa jug hun tun ne ketij aavi,
tun kudd kyaare kaalingaa ho ji;
trann trann jug maaro kahiyo nav maaniyo,
chothe te saaheb lekhaa leshe ho ji - naasare 11
Queen replies: I have been warning you over the last three joog. You have not listened. Now in this fourth joog, my Lord will take account of your deeds.
Pirs have mentioned ratan joog which is similar to sat joog after the asvaari. Imam will make the declaration of ratan joog.
Eji Haare raanni evire vaat taaraa dev paase bhanniye,
saambhlo Surjaade raanni ho ji;
amaari nagari maanhe vaas vase chhe,
ne vaat karo aap jaanni ho ji - naasare 12
Daint says: Talk to your Lord about these things. While you are here, talk good things about me, do not talk about your Lord.
Eji Chaddere daint ne padde dal manddhann,
chinnab nagri minjaar hoji;
Ishvar, Bhirmaa tiyaan karere utaaraa,
ne aj kal dasme avtaar ho ji - naasare 13
Padde dal manddhann: fight will start
China will be extinguished and the Lord together with Brahmaa (Pir) will go to China.
Eji Haare raajaa til til kaa Shaah moro lekhaa lese,
teni Sat Gur pure chhe saankh ho ji;
nar ne pirsaade Pir Shams boliyaa,
raaj rakhisarne Shaah dese ho ji - naasare 14
Satgur pure chhe saankh: Pir is a witness to all that is said above in the ginaan.
Canada: There is a reason why Ismailis have come to Canada. Muslims, including Ismailis, will suffer in Pakistan and India. Ismailis are very well organised. We in the West, will have to give a lot of our time and knowledge to the East. We have to sacrifice in order to help our Ismailis. The wealthy in the west should consider this as a Baraka to assist the needy in the East. The majority of the Ismailis (90%) are in the East and are many are living in poverty. This is what our Imam wants from us – to assist and share.
Canada will be the seat of Ismailis. Our religion will thrive in Canada. In the future, due to political or other reasons, Imam may start Namaaz instead of Dua. But the Canadian Jamat has to remain strong in bandagi. Canadian Jamat will then bring the religion back to the East.
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Congratulation brother Atharvedi"
Well done, well explained and translated, good job indeed, now can you tell me have you really read 'ATHARVED"??!! justi kidding bro icon_rolleyes.gif
I always love listen "DAINT KALINGA" waez of RAI ABU ALI' I don'tremember now how many time I already listened it, but I am still hungry to listen it again and again. However I was missing the translation of this very important waez for a long time but thanks again brother you done it today now I can save this translation for my future use, THIS TRANSLATION IS LIKE READY REFERENCE FOR MANY READERS who have interest in the subject of Zahurat.
Let me give you more details and facts about the 'ZAHURAT" this will save you and other readers lots of times in reading, listening waez and searching related literature, this is an essence for you which I took from many waezs, ginans and Ismaili granths regarding Zahurat.
1, The day will be Thursady ( called as 'THAWAR RAT' in our ginans.)
2, The time will be evening ( actually after 4.00 p.m.)
3, Nakshatra: Rohini
4, Month as per Hindu calender : Chaitra
5, Year will be 2115, As per one waez of Rai Abu Ali.
6, The name of Imam : Imam Kasam Shah, this name is given in
"ANANAT AKHADO"
7, Country involve in War: almost every country during that time but main
countries will be China, India, Pakistan, Iraq, Iran.
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