ROOHANI ISHK

shamsu · Post by **shamsu** » Fri May 09, 2003 3:46 pm

Could someone enlighten me with farmans or ginans about Roohani Ishk.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri May 09, 2003 10:30 pm

shamsu wrote:Could someone enlighten me with farmans or ginans about Roohani Ishk.

If you want to know what is what then go read the books containing farmans and use the intellect. This is in the farmans.

Also, I notice from your postings that you have habit of sharing your confusion. Do not post until you have gained knowledge. Share the knowledge not your confusion.

shamsu · Post by **shamsu** » Thu May 15, 2003 10:39 pm

Dear Guest.

Let us try this.

Say something nice in the next post and completely avoid you desire to be disrespectful.

Let us defeat Shaitan today.

You can do this.

Give it a try.

You do it once and the next time will be much easier.

Come on, the world is watching, you don't want to disappoint everyone, do you?

Ya Aly Madad

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri May 16, 2003 1:29 am

shamsu wrote:Dear Guest.

Let us try this.

Say something nice in the next post and completely avoid you desire to be disrespectful.

Let us defeat Shaitan today.

You can do this.

Give it a try.

You do it once and the next time will be much easier.

Come on, the world is watching, you don't want to disappoint everyone, do you?

Ya Aly Madad

I now understand shamsu will not falsify the quran and the farmans and the ginans. This is good. This is very good. I can now have a clean and meaningful discussion henceforth. Thank you shamsu.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri May 16, 2003 4:21 am

I have noticed that the Admin or Moderator, i.e. Umed, has started deleting my postings judging it from his point of view even though his point of view goes against the farman and the quran, I am no longer interested in posting in the forum.

shamsu · Post by **shamsu** » Sat May 17, 2003 12:46 am

Anonymous wrote:
shamsu wrote:Dear Guest.

Let us try this.

Say something nice in the next post and completely avoid you desire to be disrespectful.

Let us defeat Shaitan today.

You can do this.

Give it a try.

You do it once and the next time will be much easier.

Come on, the world is watching, you don't want to disappoint everyone, do you?

Ya Aly Madad
I now understand shamsu will not falsify the quran and the farmans and the ginans. This is good. This is very good. I can now have a clean and meaningful discussion henceforth. Thank you shamsu.

Shukhar Mowla

You Mr Guest have the ability to be nice when you choose.
This is the best news, I feel so much better and can say that you have today increased my Iman in my Mowla with your generous comment.
May Mowla keep you immersed in his Noor for eternity.

I can say that you have a strong heart and that all that you say comes directly from your heart.

Your passion overflows frequently and that I think only happens when the waves of Roohani Ishk suppress your ability to think about the other persons feelings. "Ishk Aql bhulaya, mere saheb ab teri mohabat laagi"

The Mission can be the same but the methods may require
" Man ne maro to Gur(Mowla) kahe mane malo"
"Gur male to shesha(janams) tade(end or stop)"
"Ishk to haida mahe oopje, haido kori khai"
"Sir sata jo piyu mile toae soona jaan"(If cutting off your head gets you Mowla, its a good deal)
"Sir sata to kijae, ane rayni jagaiye aap, Jiv lagaiye Zikr su to saacha surijan paas" "

satgur kahere naam liyaa so atee gannaa
ane premthee peeddaa na laay
eto dhunnee oopar leepannaa
jem futtaa mandal bajaay re.......................7

The True Guide says: You may have recited the Holy name many a time and not have brought any pain (tears) of love. It is as futile as plastering smoky fire with cow dung or playing music on a broken instrument.

satgur kahere prem bhagatee to radeh vase
ane antar leh lagaay
swas-u- swas em jampeeye
jem kaane surat na jaayare........................8

The True Guide says: The loving devotion resides in the heart, and let the interior be filled with intense desire. With every breath recite His name in such a manner, that even the ear is not conscious of it.

Ya Aly Madad

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat May 17, 2003 3:18 am

Hello Id samsu - You are aware that Umed deletes the guest's postings and then gives reason for deleting the same which is false to Umed own knowledge and beliefs - so there is actually nothing to discuss about.

Post by **Admin** » Sat May 17, 2003 1:00 pm

Anonymous wrote:Hello Id samsu - You are aware that Umed deletes the guest's postings and then gives reason for deleting the same which is false to Umed own knowledge and beliefs - so there is actually nothing to discuss about.

REPLY from ADMIN

Post your message after login, that way your name will appear instead of guest. The rule of respect for each other still applies even for people who login before posting.

The reason we have allowed guest posting is because there are several people connected with the institutions as well as waezins that would not like their names to appear in public discussions but they have something to contribute.

But now some people are taking advantage of the "guest" posting possibility to insult or use harsh words for other people. We can not tolerate disrespect, That's it. So do not be surprised if all postings under guests are deleted. We do not have the possibility to give warning to guests. Only to logged in people.

Hope this clarifies.

ADMIN

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat May 17, 2003 8:42 pm

Admin wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hello Id samsu - You are aware that Umed deletes the guest's postings and then gives reason for deleting the same which is false to Umed own knowledge and beliefs - so there is actually nothing to discuss about.
REPLY from ADMIN

Post your message after login, that way your name will appear instead of guest. The rule of respect for each other still applies even for people who login before posting.

The reason we have allowed guest posting is because there are several people connected with the institutions as well as waezins that would not like their names to appear in public discussions but they have something to contribute.

But now some people are taking advantage of the "guest" posting possibility to insult or use harsh words for other people. We can not tolerate disrespect, That's it. So do not be surprised if all postings under guests are deleted. We do not have the possibility to give warning to guests. Only to logged in people.

Hope this clarifies.

ADMIN

Hey moderator tick for tack replies does not amount to insults. You do not want proper replies to be given to the postings. On one hand you tell your people to rumor monger, say lies, insult the duas, etc. and on the other hand when Guest like me answers the postings and clears things out that the things quoted is nothing but rumor mongering, lies, insults - you delete the posting to hide the bad deeds of yourself and the people posting on your say. You are also against the farmans and hence do not have the farmans on the net. You also alllow wrong translations of ginans so people not knowing gujrati and related languages falls for the wrong translation - you know the postings where samsu translated aql as breathing, then the 50,000 and the Adams and what not.
Shame on Umed - that is if you have some left in you. If you are shameless then henceforth I will laught on your stupidity.

star_munir · Post by **star_munir** » Sat May 17, 2003 11:43 pm

guest now you are again insultng and because of your this attitude your messages were deleted.Every one is sharing their views but there is some thing like manners.If you dont know some thing that doesnt mean its a rumour.This forum is not for insulting and fighting but discussion.please do not use bad words.Read your messages is it the way to write?If you are right that translation or farman is wrong than ask respectfully the reference .It is better for you to make your own ID so that any one will not confuse that who has written what.there are so many guest that some times make problem that the message is posted by you or another and can you tell translation of which Ginan on ths site is wrong.?reply but in a respectful manner.Now I am not saying you rumour monger but simply asking.hope you will change your attitude.You can share your knowledge ,disuss but dont use harsh words than am sure your messages will not be deleted.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun May 18, 2003 1:33 am

star_munir wrote:guest now you are again insultng and because of your this attitude your messages were deleted.Every one is sharing their views but there is some thing like manners.If you dont know some thing that doesnt mean its a rumour.This forum is not for insulting and fighting but discussion.please do not use bad words.Read your messages is it the way to write?If you are right that translation or farman is wrong than ask respectfully the reference .It is better for you to make your own ID so that any one will not confuse that who has written what.there are so many guest that some times make problem that the message is posted by you or another and can you tell translation of which Ginan on ths site is wrong.?reply but in a respectful manner.Now I am not saying you rumour monger but simply asking.hope you will change your attitude.You can share your knowledge ,disuss but dont use harsh words than am sure your messages will not be deleted.

Translation of Ginans dear - from where you got the farmans into picture ?
Where THIS guest has mentioned that the farman is wrong. Stop rumor mongering openly.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun May 18, 2003 1:35 am

Anonymous wrote:
star_munir wrote:guest now you are again insultng and because of your this attitude your messages were deleted.Every one is sharing their views but there is some thing like manners.If you dont know some thing that doesnt mean its a rumour.This forum is not for insulting and fighting but discussion.please do not use bad words.Read your messages is it the way to write?If you are right that translation or farman is wrong than ask respectfully the reference .It is better for you to make your own ID so that any one will not confuse that who has written what.there are so many guest that some times make problem that the message is posted by you or another and can you tell translation of which Ginan on ths site is wrong.?reply but in a respectful manner.Now I am not saying you rumour monger but simply asking.hope you will change your attitude.You can share your knowledge ,disuss but dont use harsh words than am sure your messages will not be deleted.
Translation of Ginans dear - from where you got the farmans into picture ?
Where THIS guest has mentioned that the farman is wrong. Stop rumor mongering openly.

The translation of ginans on the site was never referred to - this pertains the forum.

And the Guest has written things which were earlier demonstrated and proved in various postings.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun May 18, 2003 2:10 am

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
star_munir wrote:guest now you are again insultng and because of your this attitude your messages were deleted.Every one is sharing their views but there is some thing like manners.If you dont know some thing that doesnt mean its a rumour.This forum is not for insulting and fighting but discussion.please do not use bad words.Read your messages is it the way to write?If you are right that translation or farman is wrong than ask respectfully the reference .It is better for you to make your own ID so that any one will not confuse that who has written what.there are so many guest that some times make problem that the message is posted by you or another and can you tell translation of which Ginan on ths site is wrong.?reply but in a respectful manner.Now I am not saying you rumour monger but simply asking.hope you will change your attitude.You can share your knowledge ,disuss but dont use harsh words than am sure your messages will not be deleted.
You mention :
guest now you are again insultng and because of your this attitude your messages were deleted.
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I know saying the truth is insulting to you and your likes.

Al-Anfal, or the Spoils of War (VIII)
6) Disputing with thee concerning the truth after it was made manifest, as if they were being driven to death while they see.

Every one is sharing their views but there is some thing like manners.
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So you know there is something like manners - but good manners are good manners and bad manners are bad manners - so have good manners OK.

If you are right that translation or farman is wrong than ask respectfully the reference .
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Where you have got this from? - bad manners dear.

It is better for you to make your own ID so that any one will not confuse that who has written what.there are so many guest that some times make problem that the message is posted by you or another
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Guest is allowed to keep the identity a secret so shall it be. If this is not proper why allow "Guest".

and can you tell translation of which Ginan on ths site is wrong.?reply but in a respectful manner.
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Why are you rumor mongering - the person having ID Shamsu - that person ginan's translation has been referred to and not the one appearing in the site (in fact hv not gone through the translations of all ginans on site). This person translates aql as breathing then this person brings on Adams and 50000 wherein in the ginans no such names appears - at elsewhere he translates open eyes as blind and what not. star-munir - no rumor mongering and saying this of your own and terming the same as that of this Guest. He even quotes things of his own and terms as the farman of sultan mohd shah and to site this umed says he may be right because there are 10000 pages of the farman in so and so languages and not translated (so how will samsu know umed ?). Shamsu also mentions soul cannot be corrupt and then after knowing the truth by farmans and quran he comes with a ginan which mention soul can be corrupt.

Now I am not saying you rumour monger but simply asking.hope you will change your attitude.
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So you see you are the one rumor mongering. Where I have mentioned that so and so site ginans are not OK ? or the farmans are wrong ? In fact you are blind to what you see - though in certain postings reply was given you were still asking for replies.

You can share your knowledge ,disuss but dont use harsh words than am sure your messages will not be deleted.
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I have already shared my knowledge taking into account farmans/quran/dua, etc. My attitude of sharing knowledge and going by the truth will not change. Word will appear harsh to those rumor monger, tell lies, go on insuulting and when the truth is made known taking into account quran, farman, dua, etc. it appears very harsh to them. Truth will appear as an insult to those who deny the truth.

logical · Post by **logical** » Mon May 19, 2003 2:33 pm

FIRST, dear shamsu bhai,
You are doing a fabulous job. Keep up the good work! I read your posts regularly.

Secondly, dear admn,
It makes sense to allow only registered uers to post in this forum. In this way it will cut down the noise-makers like the above chap posting as GUEST.

Pls endeavour to keep this forum where we can learn about our tariqa and not get in any use-less debate.

Best regards and Ya Ali Madad,
asif khan

shamsu · Post by **shamsu** » Mon May 19, 2003 5:56 pm

logical wrote:FIRST, dear shamsu bhai,
You are doing a fabulous job. Keep up the good work! I read your posts regularly.

Secondly, dear admn,
It makes sense to allow only registered uers to post in this forum. In this way it will cut down the noise-makers like the above chap posting as GUEST.

Pls endeavour to keep this forum where we can learn about our tariqa and not get in any use-less debate.

Best regards and Ya Ali Madad,
asif khan

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Ya Aly Madad Logical (asif khan)

I would like to ask if you are the same one from Cybermurid. If so I can say I have missed your postings. Please contribute, as this forum needs haqiqati momin input.
You have brought a smile to my face today
Thank You
Shams

logical · Post by **logical** » Wed May 21, 2003 9:42 am

shamsu wrote:
logical wrote: FIRST, dear shamsu bhai,
You are doing a fabulous job. Keep up the good work! I read your posts regularly.
Secondly, dear admn,
It makes sense to allow only registered uers to post in this forum. In this way it will cut down the noise-makers like the above chap posting as GUEST.
Pls endeavour to keep this forum where we can learn about our tariqa and not get in any use-less debate.

Best regards and Ya Ali Madad,
asif khan
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ya Aly Madad Logical (asif khan)
I would like to ask if you are the same one from Cybermurid. If so I can say I have missed your postings. Please contribute, as this forum needs haqiqati momin input.
You have brought a smile to my face today
Thank You
Shams

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Ya Ali Madad dear Shams,

Thank you for your kind words. Yes, I am the same person.
Again, Great job but this software used by this Forum has serious bugs.

Post by **Admin** » Wed May 21, 2003 2:39 pm

Please let us know about the bugs so we can correct them and improve. if you are concern by the speed, we are working on it and it will soon be resolved.

ADMIN
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logical · Post by **logical** » Sat May 24, 2003 9:39 am

Admin wrote:Please let us know about the bugs so we can correct them and improve. if you are concern by the speed, we are working on it and it will soon be resolved.

ADMIN
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Dear admin,

Case in point is the following excerpt from the thread named DEEDAR.
The software bugs are clearly visible.
QUOTE:
"why Hazar Imam tells you to leave everything which is a created thing in order to have the ultimate DEEDAR After which you will have no doubts ever on the reality of the Hazar Imam And never argue about his Zaat "The first, the last, the manifest and the hidden, that which is visible and heard, is all He. He is in everything yet he is beyond everything, ..."
UNQUOTE

1) The software bugs INSERTS these properties and ALSO changes some words like 'only' was changed to 'on'.

2)I tried to copy the link to this post by right-clicking for the properties and the copy of the url did not work either.

3) Also, pls allow users to change their passwords because the computer-generated p/w is very hard to remember.

Hope the above helps.

Regards,

Post by **Admin** » Sun May 25, 2003 12:30 am

To all users

Changing your password is simple.

Just login and click "My Account" in the left menu of ismaili.net main page.

You can change whenever you need.

ADMIN

shamsu · Post by **shamsu** » Sun May 25, 2003 11:13 pm

logical wrote:
Admin wrote:Please let us know about the bugs so we can correct them and improve. if you are concern by the speed, we are working on it and it will soon be resolved.

ADMIN
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Dear admin,

Case in point is the following excerpt from the thread named DEEDAR.
The software bugs are clearly visible.
QUOTE:
"why Hazar Imam tells you to leave everything which is a created thing in order to have the ultimate DEEDAR After which you will have no doubts ever on the reality of the Hazar Imam And never argue about his Zaat "The first, the last, the manifest and the hidden, that which is visible and heard, is all He. He is in everything yet he is beyond everything, ..."
UNQUOTE

1) The software bugs INSERTS these properties and ALSO changes some words like 'only' was changed to 'on'.

2)I tried to copy the link to this post by right-clicking for the properties and the copy of the url did not work either.

3) Also, pls allow users to change their passwords because the computer-generated p/w is very hard to remember.

Hope the above helps.

Regards,

Ya Aly Madad logical,

The "bugs" you mention here can be easily avoided by clicking "cancel" when the program asks "Use Visual Mode?"

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BYE BYE

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GREAT JOB, brother Shamsu

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