Some people which are converted from ismailism
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Aly_shallwani
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Some people which are converted from ismailism
As i live in a ismaili society in Pakistan,Hyderabad,Mubarak Housing Society Hazir imam has made this society long time ago for o­nly ismailes but some ismailies in our society have actually converted to (only muslim) and also Bapoo wala we say in urdu language i dont know that why are they living in our society now but we cannot say them, any thing when ever their neighbour or their cousin dies they come to Jamat Khana for its funeral ceremonies & also marriage ceremonies and they are not living in our society because they are poor or needy they are also rich o­nce i went in o­ne wedding we were standing in front of the food table there came o­ne man who was also converted there was some discussion about some thing but he started saying abusive words about our imam and ismailism he told us that he has been in council and other activities of Aga Khan institutions and told us about the things like he told the money we give in jamat khana does not goes to imam but spend by the jamat in useless activities and he also told that imam is a member of jews and he told us you are doing shirk by saying imam God so Why imam doesnt do any thing for these silly people i was just listning his abusive words with o­ne ear and let it out of the another ear <BR>i want to know that our society is a ismaili society than why these kind of people are living with us
Converted Ismailis and Ownership
In my opinion there are two issues to deal with.
1. Are these converted individuals officially non-Ismailis. Have they proclaimed to be members of other sects or have they denounced Ismailism formally?
2. What is the housing society's policy regarding ownership of the flats. Are they still exclusively for Ismailis or can non-Ismailis own them. I know in East Africa non Ismailis can own flats which were originally meant for Ismailis only. If the same applies there, then I think nothing can be done.
I think the best thing to do is to raise these matters with the local or national council.
1. Are these converted individuals officially non-Ismailis. Have they proclaimed to be members of other sects or have they denounced Ismailism formally?
2. What is the housing society's policy regarding ownership of the flats. Are they still exclusively for Ismailis or can non-Ismailis own them. I know in East Africa non Ismailis can own flats which were originally meant for Ismailis only. If the same applies there, then I think nothing can be done.
I think the best thing to do is to raise these matters with the local or national council.
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star_munir
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The example of Imam is like that of mirror. Those who are good say good thing about Imam while others not.
The man who was saying against ismailism you can answer him if he is polite but the problem with these type of persons is that they cant bear or listen truth. If you will answer their questions they will call you kaafir or be aginst you. In Pakistan you know bomb blast in religious places and there are many fundamentalist muslims which fight with each other and think that by killing pople of other sects or religion they will go to paradise.
So they do not listen and it is dangerous to speak about truth with such people.
Such people are punished by Imam but its not neccessary that they will get punishment immediately they will get. There are many examples what happened to Akbarali mehrally? What happened to talibans who were enemies of ismailism? It is history that there were always enemies of Imam and true religion.
Regarding institutions yes I agree there are some bad people who do wrong things in ismaili institutions but in it it is not mistake of Imam. Imam had given them chance to serve Him and if they serves truly they get reward for it.
There is great influence of people or society you live on you for example in India where majority is hindus,ismaili friends of hindus celebrate holi diwali with them. The girls put bindiya on forehead etc In U.S and Canada some ismailis celebrate chirstmas because their friends are christian so same is with Pakistan where there muslims but majority non ismailis.
There is good thing to learn some thing about faith or culture or traditions of different people but if any one has not proper religious education he will leave true path.
The peole in Hyderabad who left ismailism,I think they did not have good religiouseducation thats why. Yopu should inform about such persons to your coucil,Mukhi Saheb or members of society of your colony so that action could be take place againstthem
The man who was saying against ismailism you can answer him if he is polite but the problem with these type of persons is that they cant bear or listen truth. If you will answer their questions they will call you kaafir or be aginst you. In Pakistan you know bomb blast in religious places and there are many fundamentalist muslims which fight with each other and think that by killing pople of other sects or religion they will go to paradise.
So they do not listen and it is dangerous to speak about truth with such people.
Such people are punished by Imam but its not neccessary that they will get punishment immediately they will get. There are many examples what happened to Akbarali mehrally? What happened to talibans who were enemies of ismailism? It is history that there were always enemies of Imam and true religion.
Regarding institutions yes I agree there are some bad people who do wrong things in ismaili institutions but in it it is not mistake of Imam. Imam had given them chance to serve Him and if they serves truly they get reward for it.
There is great influence of people or society you live on you for example in India where majority is hindus,ismaili friends of hindus celebrate holi diwali with them. The girls put bindiya on forehead etc In U.S and Canada some ismailis celebrate chirstmas because their friends are christian so same is with Pakistan where there muslims but majority non ismailis.
There is good thing to learn some thing about faith or culture or traditions of different people but if any one has not proper religious education he will leave true path.
The peole in Hyderabad who left ismailism,I think they did not have good religiouseducation thats why. Yopu should inform about such persons to your coucil,Mukhi Saheb or members of society of your colony so that action could be take place againstthem
Some people which are converted from ismailism
Ya Ali Madad to all
In my opinion we have to search our history. From the first imam Hazart Ali, since then in our religion millions of people have become astray. From Hazrat Ali's time to present, is more than 1400 years. Today, how many ismallis are there? So this is a continuation of Mowlas wish to filter his followers into the purest momins. And what makes a person a momin? Iman is what makes a person momin. Iman is the fundamental part of ismallism to the Imam-e-Zamaan. Thats why in the world of 6.3 billion people, we ismallis are only about 15 million. Even in these 15 million people exists only a few number of momins who have complete faith in the Hazir Imam. Do not listen to anybody but you inner soul and your heart. I have a farman of Imam Hussein where imam hussien is states that if any man or woman looses faith in their imam that they will go to hell.
In my opinion we have to search our history. From the first imam Hazart Ali, since then in our religion millions of people have become astray. From Hazrat Ali's time to present, is more than 1400 years. Today, how many ismallis are there? So this is a continuation of Mowlas wish to filter his followers into the purest momins. And what makes a person a momin? Iman is what makes a person momin. Iman is the fundamental part of ismallism to the Imam-e-Zamaan. Thats why in the world of 6.3 billion people, we ismallis are only about 15 million. Even in these 15 million people exists only a few number of momins who have complete faith in the Hazir Imam. Do not listen to anybody but you inner soul and your heart. I have a farman of Imam Hussein where imam hussien is states that if any man or woman looses faith in their imam that they will go to hell.
Re: Some people which are converted from ismailism
Just to add perspective to numbers.. Our faith is about quality and not quantity. Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah said in one of his Mandli Farmans that Ismailism will survive even when there is only ONE true Ismaili and Ismailis can rule the world if there are only 20 united and devoted Ismailis.karimqazi wrote:Ya Ali Madad to all
Thats why in the world of 6.3 billion people, we ismallis are only about 15 million. Even in these 15 million people exists only a few number of momins who have complete faith in the Hazir Imam.
Reading the previous posting, it reminded me of a Farman of Aga Ali Shah on Beiloul...
These are not the exact words, the Farman was transcribed in Khojki in the manuscript that I accessed.
Beiloul was the brother of Haroun al Rashid and he was a little crazy or retarded.
One day a hand apear out of the river and it showed 5 fingers. The nature's event was surprising and Harun al Rashid called all his ministers to ask what was the meaning of that hand showing the five fingers, coming out of the river. None could reply. People gathered several days to look at the amazing appearance and none could explain it.
One evenning Beiloul the crazy retarded came to the river and looked at the river and the hand raised with 5 fingers. Beilul raised his own hand and showed 2 fingers moving. After few minutes of beilul standing with his 2 fingers raised, the miraculous hand disappeared in the river, never to be seen again.
There was a commotion and Beilul was summoned to the court to explain what he did.
Beilul said, this was the hand of God. God was asking "can I get 5 people working together in unity for me? If yes, I will manifest Myself now!".
Why did it disapeared when you showed him 2 fingers? asked Harun al Rashid the Caliphe.
Beilul replied. I said to God showing the 2 fingers "how can you ask for 5 people, you will even not get 2 people!"
These are not the exact words, the Farman was transcribed in Khojki in the manuscript that I accessed.
Beiloul was the brother of Haroun al Rashid and he was a little crazy or retarded.
One day a hand apear out of the river and it showed 5 fingers. The nature's event was surprising and Harun al Rashid called all his ministers to ask what was the meaning of that hand showing the five fingers, coming out of the river. None could reply. People gathered several days to look at the amazing appearance and none could explain it.
One evenning Beiloul the crazy retarded came to the river and looked at the river and the hand raised with 5 fingers. Beilul raised his own hand and showed 2 fingers moving. After few minutes of beilul standing with his 2 fingers raised, the miraculous hand disappeared in the river, never to be seen again.
There was a commotion and Beilul was summoned to the court to explain what he did.
Beilul said, this was the hand of God. God was asking "can I get 5 people working together in unity for me? If yes, I will manifest Myself now!".
Why did it disapeared when you showed him 2 fingers? asked Harun al Rashid the Caliphe.
Beilul replied. I said to God showing the 2 fingers "how can you ask for 5 people, you will even not get 2 people!"
ignore him
YAM sherisheri wrote:Just curious........what happened to Akbarali Meherally ?
Our Imam has said "Ignore him"
The question I have for you is this--Can you sacrifice this curiosity in the interest of Farmanbardari?
YAM Shamsu,
I have read all what he has written about the ismaili tariqah and Hazir Imam on his website and I have read other people too. But i have never bothered in replying or fighting with anyone because its not worth it and i think they themselves are fools. I just wanted to know that did something bad happen with him, because you yourself said in the post earlier that the taliban and the Meherali guy got their punishment or will get theirs. So i was just curious if something bad happened to him. I dont care what he says because thats his opinion and i dont bother with such people. And finding out if something really happened with him is not going against the Imam i think. I was just curious. If you dont want to answer that then its alrite. Its the last thing on my mind.
Thanks
I have read all what he has written about the ismaili tariqah and Hazir Imam on his website and I have read other people too. But i have never bothered in replying or fighting with anyone because its not worth it and i think they themselves are fools. I just wanted to know that did something bad happen with him, because you yourself said in the post earlier that the taliban and the Meherali guy got their punishment or will get theirs. So i was just curious if something bad happened to him. I dont care what he says because thats his opinion and i dont bother with such people. And finding out if something really happened with him is not going against the Imam i think. I was just curious. If you dont want to answer that then its alrite. Its the last thing on my mind.
Thanks
Curiosity
I tend to Agree with Sheri. I do not think that being curious about this man is not being Farman Bardari. As a matter of fact, I was curious as well when I read about him.
This is only a piece of information that we can reflect upon just like Pharoah or Yazid. The intent is not to slander anybody but just to know the consequences about certain actions against the Imam or Prophet.
This is only a piece of information that we can reflect upon just like Pharoah or Yazid. The intent is not to slander anybody but just to know the consequences about certain actions against the Imam or Prophet.
Sins
YAM SHeri and K
There is a saying of Mowla Aly
"You are not punished for your sins, you are punished by your sins".
We grow up learning that the consequence for a "bad" action is punishment.
After reading this my perspective changed and it all made sense.
I believe in the Quran it is mentioned that- there is no unhappiness in which you do not have a hand. (I am stating what I understand from the Ayat).
If I dont follow the Farmans of My Imam, then I am deprived of the benefits of that Farmanbardari. The worldly loss of benefit plays a small part in the whole picture.
If a person cheats, what he is doing is tainting his heart, eventually it is only the purity of your Ruh which matters.
Imam SMS has made a Farman where he has said that the biggest debt on the soul is purification of Ruh.
This we have to accomplish on this earth which was called a short cut to the infinite. (life on earth that is)
I have something else to say on the Akbar Mehrally situation.
As many times a day he mentions our Imam in his criticisms, do any of us mention the name of our Imam as many times in one day?
A different angle thats all
YAM
SHAMS
There is a saying of Mowla Aly
"You are not punished for your sins, you are punished by your sins".
We grow up learning that the consequence for a "bad" action is punishment.
After reading this my perspective changed and it all made sense.
I believe in the Quran it is mentioned that- there is no unhappiness in which you do not have a hand. (I am stating what I understand from the Ayat).
If I dont follow the Farmans of My Imam, then I am deprived of the benefits of that Farmanbardari. The worldly loss of benefit plays a small part in the whole picture.
If a person cheats, what he is doing is tainting his heart, eventually it is only the purity of your Ruh which matters.
Imam SMS has made a Farman where he has said that the biggest debt on the soul is purification of Ruh.
This we have to accomplish on this earth which was called a short cut to the infinite. (life on earth that is)
I have something else to say on the Akbar Mehrally situation.
As many times a day he mentions our Imam in his criticisms, do any of us mention the name of our Imam as many times in one day?
A different angle thats all
YAM
SHAMS