Dua or Dawa

[alinizar313]

Which one is preferable. Dua (pray) or Dawa (Medicine). Here dua is not ritual prayer bet simply pray to ask something. Select one, not both.

[star_munir]

Of course dua not dawa

[alinizar313]

Of course dua not dawa

Can u justify your answer

[star_munir]

Medicine is equally important but if there is one choice either dawa or dua than Dua is my answer. Power of God is much more than that of any doctor or medicine.

This is in history book Noorum Mubin you can check that ,Khawaja Kamaluddin was seriously ill.He took medicine but was not well than he started praying and than Imam came in his dream and told him to do so and so.....I had posted this story once in anecdotes section you can read from there or form book he was well, not from any doctor but by prayers he found way to become well again.

Some months before I got fever every night. This was continue more than month. Every night fever. I took many medicines and went to many doctors but nothinh happened. I went to Mukhi saheb he gave me ghatpat dhagga and prayers and water and I was well after that. Isn't it a miracle.


If you are fond of bollywood movies than one example,film har dil jo pyaar karegaa in which actress became well after prayers.

So I have given 3 examples, one from history,one from my practical life and one from movie.

[star_munir]

Hazrat Muhammad [P.B.U.H] said that

Dua is weapon of momin.

Dua is Noor of heavens and earth.

It is in hadith that from dua you can get rid not only of difficulty which you have but also rid from difficulty,sorrow,problem which is not at present and is going to happen.

There are some wrong concepts among ismailis of today. One like that ask only spiritual prayers not worldly. Its wrong. Imam give us worldly as well as spiritual prayers. Every one has worldly wish. Till we are alive there will be worldly wishes in our hearts and its natural factor so asking help from some one else why not Imam? we should ask all kind of prayers from Imam.

[kmaherali]

This is an interesting and a very profound issue, although it appears to be very simplistic!

If 'Dua' is a metaphor for divine help and 'Dawa' is a metaphor for worldly solution to a problem, then I would say that both are important. 'Dawa' without 'Dua' is not effective and vice versa. If both have been applied and still there is no apparent solution then whatever result appears, is meant to happen. Sometimes our ultimate good lies in what appears to be undesirable!

There is a saying of Prophet Muhammad which states: "Trust in God but tie your camel first."

[nargisk3]

I don't know if this applies, but this topic reminds me of a farman by SMS, in which he states that he is not a doctor of our body, but a doctor of our ruh. I guess in that sense, dua is dawa, but not for the material body, but for the spiritual. I agree with kmaherali, I think both are important, but if I had to choose one, I would definately pick dua.

Also, could you please explain that quote, "Trust in God, but tie your camel first." ?? Thanks! =)

[kmaherali]

I don't know if this applies, but this topic reminds me of a farman by SMS, in which he states that he is not a doctor of our body, but a doctor of our ruh. I guess in that sense, dua is dawa, but not for the material body, but for the spiritual. I agree with kmaherali, I think both are important, but if I had to choose one, I would definately pick dua.

Also, could you please explain that quote, "Trust in God, but tie your camel first." ?? Thanks! =)

This is an interesting way of considering this issue. As I mentioned it is not as simple as it appears and there can be many ways of thinking about it. This is one aspect of the strength in diversity i.e. the diversity of thought.

As regards to the saying of Prophet Muhammad, it states that while we have to trust in God, we must take all the necessary precautions to protect our material conditions symbolised by the camel (being the most valued possession at that time). In this case the 'Dawa' is tying of the camel and 'Dua' is trusting in God. This brings out the issue of the duality of life that we encounter, i.e., the material and the spiritual. We have to follow the laws of both and thereby establish the balance in life. We all know that the Pir is quite capable of curing any illness yet if we consider the life of Mowlana Sultan Muhammd Shah, he went through many illnesses in his life as mentioned in the following quote from his memoirs as: "In recent years, since the end of the Second World War, I have had a great deal of illness - enough, I suppose, in its content as in its prolongation in time, to have depressed me. I have undergone three major internal operations, two of them with what is ordinarily considered a fifty-fifty chance of survival."

He is clearly demonstrating through His own life that while we live in the material world, we have to live by its laws and consequenses realising that these are derived from God. In that sense there is an interplay between the 'Dawa' and the 'Dua'. Mowlana HazarImam in one of His Farmans tells us that we must adhere rigorously to any prescriptions given by our doctors. If you are told to take a tablet at 2.OO it means 2.00 and not 3.00! In this case 'Dawa' is important as well. Without 'Dua' solving an issue can result in pride in case of success and frustration in case of failure. With 'Dua' there is a sense of peace and contentment regardless of the outcome.

By the way thanks for your complement for the poem that I posted in the Anecdotes Section.

[alinizar313]

I think If we conduct the pole, almost more than 95% will select dua. Any how my answer is absolutely D A W A . Now I will try to justify the same in the light of Firman.
First thing both Dua and Dawa is important for spiritual upliftment but if we have to select one, it must be dawa. Just like we need both soul and body for our existence but the important is obviously our soul. Similarly for computer, We basically need PC and monitor but the important is PC.
Now come to the point why dawa is important. We all know that if we get sick then we have to go to doctor and take medicine and we keep on taking the treatment. Even though it does not help then we have to turn to prayer as the only hope. There is a firman of S.M.S in K.I.M Part !. " Tamaiy bimari ni dawa laiva amaara paasaiy aawo chho parn amaiy doctor nathi, ame tau temara ruh na doctor chhiye. Ruh ne koi bimari laagu padaiy tau ruh na doctor paase javoo joiye anaiy teni paasay thi dawa merravvi joiye tau faido thaae." It means "you come to me to take the treatment of your disease but I am not a doctor, I am the doctor of your soul. If soul has got some disease, one should go to the doctor of the soul and get the medicine so that it would be cured." We all agreed that our soul get sick (no need to explain), so definetely we have to turn to the concerned doctor and that is no other than Imam and He give us medicine in the form of Ism-e-Azam, Firman, Hidayat or guidance and we should take that medicine seriousely. As far as Dua is concerned, one should keep in mind that once you got your Imam (Or Imam in the form Of Ism-e-Azam)or you surrender yourself to Imam, there is no need of any dua as now it's His responsibility to take care of us and He will do whatever is better for us.
" ONE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY DESIRE AFTER GETTING IMAM-E-ZAMAN" PIr pandiyat-e- Jawanmerdi.
I think most of us know the firman on Kangwa (Baiyyat), If we know then we will never ask for dua.

. to be continued

[star_munir]

I do not agree with you that if you have got Imam there is no need for prayers or asking dua. Hazir Imam gives Jamat prayers for both worldly and spiritual progress and mukhi saheb used to ask dua for Jamat in Jamat Khana. After tasbih, after dua etc we ask dua.Even prophets ask help from God by dua in the time of difficulties.

Hazrat Ayub was seriously ill and was suffering from many difficulties but when he asked dua from Mowla Ali all his problems and sorrows got vanished and he became well again [Remember Mowla Ali was with all Prophets]

I am not saying that there is no need of doctors,hospitals and medicines at all just like for my exams its not only enough to ask prayer but I have to learn also in same manner medicines are important but if there is one choice the answer is dua as Power of God is more than that of medicines and any thing else. To give health and to give life and death is in Hands of God. In Quran Allah says to ask dua from Him. God knows our problems,pain,sorrows but still we have to ask for help from Him.There are many incidences that people suffering from serious desease becomes well after saying dua.

Regarding Farman of Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah, Imam not said to not say dua for good health and ask only for spiritual progress. Hazir Imam also gives prayer for good health. Some people used to ask Imam the cure for desease which can be cured by medicines. Like if some one is suffering from fever,cold,food poison etc now for this he makes direct contact with Hazir Imam or write letter to Him thats not right. This means one has not understand concept of Imamat or status of Imam is like doctor treating for just small diseases fever,cough etc. Imam is in world for our salvation. He is not for giving medicines but Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah said that if there is serious desease than you can say me [contact Imam,write letter to Him] but for small diseases we have to go to doctor. Imam here not says to not ask help from me by asking dua but not to make direct contact or send letter to give dawa for minor diseases.

Any person living has desires and worldly wishes. Be they small or big wishes. No one here can claim that I have not any worldly wish. Its natural thing . Than for the fulfillment of wishes asking help from others isnt is good to ask dua from God who can do every thing and who is best friend.

[aliali786]

I think If we conduct the pole, almost more than 95% will select dua. Any how my answer is absolutely D A W A . Now I will try to justify the same in the light of Firman.
First thing both Dua and Dawa is important for spiritual upliftment but if we have to select one, it must be dawa. Just like we need both soul and body for our existence but the important is obviously our soul. Similarly for computer, We basically need PC and monitor but the important is PC.
Now come to the point why dawa is important. We all know that if we get sick then we have to go to doctor and take medicine and we keep on taking the treatment. Even though it does not help then we have to turn to prayer as the only hope. There is a firman of S.M.S in K.I.M Part !. " Tamaiy bimari ni dawa laiva amaara paasaiy aawo chho parn amaiy doctor nathi, ame tau temara ruh na doctor chhiye. Ruh ne koi bimari laagu padaiy tau ruh na doctor paase javoo joiye anaiy teni paasay thi dawa merravvi joiye tau faido thaae." It means "you come to me to take the treatment of your disease but I am not a doctor, I am the doctor of your soul. If soul has got some disease, one should go to the doctor of the soul and get the medicine so that it would be cured." We all agreed that our soul get sick (no need to explain), so definetely we have to turn to the concerned doctor and that is no other than Imam and He give us medicine in the form of Ism-e-Azam, Firman, Hidayat or guidance and we should take that medicine seriousely. As far as Dua is concerned, one should keep in mind that once you got your Imam (Or Imam in the form Of Ism-e-Azam)or you surrender yourself to Imam, there is no need of any dua as now it's His responsibility to take care of us and He will do whatever is better for us.
" ONE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY DESIRE AFTER GETTING IMAM-E-ZAMAN" PIr pandiyat-e- Jawanmerdi.
I think most of us know the firman on Kangwa (Baiyyat), If we know then we will never ask for dua.

. Excellent, I never tbink with that aspect. It looks like sufi thought which is our tariqa to be continued

[kmaherali]

I will begin this post with 2 verses of "Seeharfee" which have a bearing on the issue at hand.

keett bhamareekaa tame dekho khelaa
esaa paayaa gur su(n) chelaa.....................................10 (Part

Look at the relationship between a larva and a bee. When the former endures the leaking of the latter, it is transformed into the nature of the latter. Similarly when a disciple rigorously follows the guide, he is transformed into the nature of the Guide, i.e. becomes Divine himself.

sahej suneemaa(n) rahe samaay
te jogee ku(n) kaall na khaay.....................................2 (Part3)

The one who has attained the state of real peace and calm, is the sage who will not be affected by death (physical) or vicissitudes and vagaries of time.

This is real Sufism! As can be noted from the two verses above, the relationship between a murid and the Murshid entails a process of tranformation. When a murid rigorously endures the discipline of the Murshid, this person changes gradually until he/she becomes Divine. When that happens then all laws of creation are under his/her control. Not only can this person cure any illness by will but he can choose to live and die at will!. In that sense 'Dawa' is rendered useless.

The second aspect about the relationship, is that when a person attains spiritual enlightenment (Deedar), he/she achieves a state of unshakable peace and calm. No worldly temptation or pain can effect this person. He cheerfully endures any illnesses that befall him through Karma. Mansoor had his limbs severed, yet he was not effected. For the sake of others they have to apply the 'Dawa' but to them it is really insignificant. As I mentioned in my earlier post, Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah underwent major surgeries when we know that he could cure any illness at will. I am aware of at least one example in my own family about this.

So 'Dawa' is only important in the early stages of this relationship. At advanced stages, it becomes insignificant. Even if you have the trust of the Guide, you still need 'Dua'. By 'Dua' I do not just mean prayer but a broader sense of trust in a higher power be it the Murshid or Allah. It engenders a sense of humility, peace and contentment regardless of the outer conditions.

[alinizar313]

Thanks star_munir and Kmeherali for your responses. Before I give you the reply, Can I ask few questions.
1. What relation we should prefer to keep between us and mowla?
2. If mowla tell us to ask one thing for all time, What should we ask?

[star_munir]

It depends on you.
It is in Granth Momin Chetamani that
You are the Creator, You are my Mother, Father, Friend, and You are my

Family, and my Tribe, and there is nothing without You. [verse 537]

I think that God is our Lord and Best Friend both and we are spiritual children of our Imam and your other question was If mowla tell us to ask one thing for all time, What should we ask? Mowla will never ask any one this as it is in Ginan Je je mangoo te tu hi devey [saheb ji tu more man bhavee by syed Muhammad Shah] it means Whatever I ask Imam gives . Imam not ask to fulfill just one or two or limited prayers. God is so merciful He fulfills unlimited wishes. It is human nature If you get one thing you need more. Example if you got deedar. You pray for it and got deedar you became extremely happy but after that deedar you will wish that may I get once more deedar. Similarly in worldly matters also it happens.

Hazrat Muhammad [PBUH} said that "those who wish that God fulfil their prayers at the time of difficulties and problems shoul also ask dua from Him when they are happy"

[alinizar313]

Actually the question regarding dua and dawa was little bit misunderstood. Here we were talking of dawa in a pure spiritual sense. What I want to explain is that first we need dawa in the form of Sat shabd ( Ism-e-Azam) or firman and make the same workable.( that is all our actions must be in accordance of Firman). First we should start with this for our spiritual upliftment by improving our conduct and selfless rememberance of His name. After that he will bestow us with his blessing by himself. We do not need to pray. Kmeherali gave the excellent example from seeharfi saying that when one become Divine, then dawa becomes unneccessary. I agreed but again we need dawa to become Divine. Actually we do not want to work hard, we do not want to do what mowla tell us to do. We just rely on dua all the time that is why we do not see the progress.
"Rehmat rub ki we koi pave jo zikr kare her dam" Kalam-e-Mowla
Mowla say you give me one percent and then I will make it !00 %. That 1% is the dawa which we have to swallow and 99% is his Blessing. My point is, without dawa, dua will not effect. Here dawa is nothing to do with physical illness. We should not give the example of movies or any other related stories. It is better to quote firman , ginans or sayings of great Saints.

Now the Question I asked is again misunderstood. You said mowla will never say us to ask ony one thing, Here the object of the enquiry was if we have only one choice what should we select means what should be our top priority so that we always keep our eye on the ultimate target. Because a lot of stages come in this path if we confine ourselves on that and think that it is what I have to achieve then we should not reach our destination. "Jaivo ruh na moman chhaiy tevo aiva thaiy chaiy ke deen na kaam ma agard ane agard kadam bhariya kare chhaiy, taivo oobha raheta nathi, ava marnso bahisht thi parn ooper jaai chhaiy" ( KIM 1). Now what should we ask? As our aim is to become one with Him, so we should ask Asl maqan or 'HE'.
"Jiyare temaiy sujdo kero tiyare maango kaiy amone asal maqan e Pohnchdo" ( KIM 1) It means when you go in prostration, Ask for asal Maqan.

Another question was the relationship we should prefer to keep with Mowla. There are four relations
1. Murid and murshid
2. Child and Parent
3. Friend and friend
4 Aashiq and Maashooq
Gradually we should keep our eye on # 4. In Aashiq and mashhoq, Aashiq means complete devotion, surrender tun, mun and dhan. And that lover is like a moth that flutters around the beauty of the candle that is the Absolute, burning away its relative existence in His fire. So when the lover will live within Him then will there be any need for asking?
" Sub kooch Khuda se maang liya us ko mang ke, Oothte nehin haiy haath mere is dua ke baad"
" One should not desire for anything after getting Lord". ( Pir Pandiyat-e- Jawanmardi)
"Though you have a bag of breads on your top yet you are looking for bread" ( Mowlana Rumi)
" Horse rider is on horse, still he is looking for Horse" ( Mowlana Rumi)
"Soul is in prison, and strange thing is that he has got key to open it" ( Rumi)
' Insan no darajjo behoo ooncho chhaiy parn te potaiy potana haath thhi tene nichaiy pari de chhaiy" (KIM 1)
Don't take me wrong that we do not need dua, The only message I want to convey my spiritual brother is that we should keep our eye on top. When our Imam says " My spiritual Children" means we are like our Imam and for that we must strive to be like Him. The child of Lion is Lion.

"Kesari sinh saroop Bhoolayo Aja keraiy sung aja hou rahiyo"

[shamsu]

Ya Aly Madad Alinizar786,

Contemplate on this 5th stage

Maashooq-Aashiq

This is a reversal of the 4th stage you describe.

Hello everyone else,

"Aash toe ek alakh ni keejay
awar sarve aash niraash"

So we are taught that we should wish for only the "alakh"

So munir all other wishes will bring sadness whether you get what you wished for or not.

"Naam laeta naami ku paave.."

"Aly jampiye aly paiye, Aly samarae sukh hoi,
Ahmed Aly Aly Karata, (pachi) honi hoi so hoi"

We have to recognize the Imam first.

47th Imam Farman

Badhi Ibadat Aly nae odakhwa matte cche...

(dont have the reference in front of me so I am not adding quotes)


Each of these lines is meant to stimulate your intellect so please reflect on them



Ya Aly Madad

Shams

By the way 47th Imam Farman -Badhi Ibadat ma Dua Afzal cche, karan ke tae ma Imamo na naam bolai cche.

[kmaherali]

"Aash toe ek alakh ni keejay
awar sarve aash niraash"

So we are taught that we should wish for only the "alakh"

So munir all other wishes will bring sadness whether you get what you wished for or not.

As you make progress along the Path, you are transformed; your outlook changes, your perception of the world around you changes, things that were once important to you will seem trivial and insignificant. If you attain the Batuni Deedar than all your other wishes will also be fulfilled (if they matter at all!). To add a touch of pluralism , the following statement of Jesus alludes to this.

"Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

BUT SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD, AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS; AND ALL THINGS SHALL BE ADDED UNTO YOU." (Matthew 6:19-22, 24-33)

[shamsu]

An amazing writer Paul Brunton wrote in his book The Inner Reality

"The kingdom of God is within you"

[kmaherali]

An amazing writer Paul Brunton wrote in his book The Inner Reality

"The kingdom of God is within you"

Absolutely!

[alinizar313]

The greatest obstacle that keeps us from experiencing the eternal state of union is the ego, our own personal identity. In this state, the individual self ceases to exist and only the Beloved exists.

Know that when you learn to lose yourself, you will reach the beloved. There is no other secret to be learnt, and more than that is not known to me.

Rabia Basari's Dua (prayer) emphasizes the mystical rejection of everything but God. She says "Oh Lord, whatever share of this world Thou dost bestow on me, bestow it on thine enemies, and whatever share of the next world Thou dost give me, give it to Thou friends. Thou are enough for me."

Bayezid says, "As I reached the state of proximity with God, He said, 'What do you desire?' I replied, 'I desire you.' He said, 'As long as there remains even one particle of Bayezidness in you, that desire cannot be fulfilled."

From the time of my initiation into Love,
I have been ashamed to ask anything from God,
but God himself.
Even to my daily prayers, required by religion,
I added, "O God, you know what Bayazid wants!"

People pray in order to draw God's compassion and grace upon themselves. In their prayers, they beg to God to bestow His benevolence upon them and not His wrath. But the Haqiqati Momin is one who is in Love with the Beloved. Whether the Beloved is clothed in the grab of benovelence or wrath makes no difference to him. How, then. can the Haqiqati pray for anything, when all he sees is the Beloved and not the outer garment?, "Jiyan joiye chhiye tiyan Ruh dost ne Joiyye Chiye" (K.I.M 1).
One who prays to God for something, prays from a 'self'. Such beseeching becomes a manifestation of an individual consciousness before an Absolute Existence. However, the enraptured lover cannot at all be conscious of his own existence before the Absolute, as that would be infidelity to the Beloved. And that is why the SHIRK is a great sin in Islam. "To see yourself and do not see God is a SHIRK"( Rumi) i,e to make patrner with God.

[star_munir]

Thank you.

[alinizar313]

An amazing writer Paul Brunton wrote in his book The Inner Reality

"The kingdom of God is within you"

Similar thing was said by S.M.S "momin nu dil te khudawandtala ni rehvani jagiya chhai. Momin na dil ni khubi evi chhaiy kaiy amaiy taina dil me rahiye chhiye". As Paul Brunton saying concides with Imam's firman, therefore he is absolutely right.

[alinizar313]

"Aash toe ek alakh ni keejay
awar sarve aash niraash"

So we are taught that we should wish for only the "alakh"

So munir all other wishes will bring sadness whether you get what you wished for or not.

As you make progress along the Path, you are transformed; your outlook changes, your perception of the world around you changes, things that were once important to you will seem trivial and insignificant. If you attain the Batuni Deedar than all your other wishes will also be fulfilled (if they matter at all!). To add a touch of pluralism , the following statement of Jesus alludes to this.

"Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

BUT SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD, AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS; AND ALL THINGS SHALL BE ADDED UNTO YOU." (Matthew 6:19-22, 24-33)

That is why Mowla says that there are thousands of meaning of my firman. As you progress, your perception changes so is the meaning of firman. Therefore Mowla always talk in Packet so everybody interpret it according to his level of understanding.

[star_munir]

Alinizar at the end of your post it is written Be Humble, Honest and Generous.Similarly there is quote of Imam Sultan Muhamad Shah and Imam Ali Shah at the end of every post of Shamsu. How do you do this?

[shamsu]

Munir its your profile signature.

[star_munir]

Thanks for telling but I not understood it is written Visit Forum _PROFILE for your signature admin.

[karimqazi]

Ya Ali Madad to all my brothers and sisters:

I would like to give my opinion about the 5th stage
Pir says in ginan: Ishk vardi maa na nipjay, Ishk haate nah vehchai
Ishk tho hairna ma nipjay teh haynu koori kaaye

It means: You cannot get immence love from a garden or from a shop you will obtain immence love in your heart and that love will destroy the heart also.
Therefore the maashuk and aashik stage does not remain becuase the aashik will forget his identity and become the "maashuk"

One great sufi says:
"Ranja Ranja karde meh aape ranja hoi, horn menu heer nah aako koi"
It means: After calling the name of my beloved(maashuk) so much I have lost my identity. Now do not call me me a lover (aashik) anymore becuase I have become the beloved (maashuk).

This shows that after passing the 4th stage of Maashuk and Aashik there leaves no distinction between the two because they become one.

"Surti shaabd ki gaanti gulai, jiu jal meh jal diya milai"
-Braam Prakaash (Pir Shams)

I hope that this will clearify my point of view on the 5th stage

Thanks and may Mowla Bless You All
Karim Qazi

[alinizar313]

Ya Aly Madad Alinizar786,

Contemplate on this 5th stage

Maashooq-Aashiq

This is a reversal of the 4th stage you describe.

Hello everyone else,

"Aash toe ek alakh ni keejay
awar sarve aash niraash"

So we are taught that we should wish for only the "alakh"

So munir all other wishes will bring sadness whether you get what you wished for or not.

"Naam laeta naami ku paave.."

"Aly jampiye aly paiye, Aly samarae sukh hoi,
Ahmed Aly Aly Karata, (pachi) honi hoi so hoi"

We have to recognize the Imam first.

47th Imam Farman

Badhi Ibadat Aly nae odakhwa matte cche...

(dont have the reference in front of me so I am not adding quotes)


Each of these lines is meant to stimulate your intellect so please reflect on them



Ya Aly Madad

Shams

By the way 47th Imam Farman -Badhi Ibadat ma Dua Afzal cche, karan ke tae ma Imamo na naam bolai cche.

Shamsu, I ccouldn't get what do you mean by 5th stage (Aashiq-mashooq). I only mention four stages im my posting. Please clearify so that I can give the reply accordingly and tell something about the journey after that.

[shamsu]

It is not a question. It is more of a statement to reflect upon.

In our batuni existance there is the observer and the observed

later on there is the process of observing the observer.

the so called stage that I am talking about is the stage where the observed becomes the observer and the observer the observed.

There is a stage of baqabillah

it is a stage that comes after fanafillah.

You could say its the result of spiritual resurrecton.

We talk about losing our identity in Ya Aly.

I am talking about finding our identity in Ya Aly.

A "spiritual identification with Allah" (MHI--BUK).

To sacrifice the intoxication of Fana for the cosmic consciousness of Baqa.

Shams

Ya Aly Madad

[shamsu]

A Little bit of Rumi.


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* During the day I was singing with You.
At night we slept in the same bed.
I wasn't conscious day or night.
I thought I knew who I was,
But I was You.
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Lovers don't finally meet somewhere.
They're in each other all along.
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* You are not a single you,
Good Friend, you are a sky and an ocean,
A tremendous you, a nine hundred times huge
Drowning place for all your hundreeds of you's.
Don't answer; let God answer.
Don't speak, so the Speaker can.
Not a word, so Sun-Light can say
What has never been in a book, or said.
Don't try to put it in words,
And the Spirit will do that through you,
In spite of you,
beside you,
amongst you;
Stop swimming so hard, and climb in the boat with Noah.
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* Lo, I am with you always, means when you look for God,
God is in the look of your eyes,
in the thought of looking, nearer to you than your self,
or things that have happened to you.
There's no need to go outside.
wash yourself of yourself.
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* A white flower grows in the quietness.
Let your tongue become that flower.
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* Begin as creation, become a Creator.
Never wait at a barrier.
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* I have lived on the lip
of insanity, wanting to know reasons,
knocking on a door. It opens.
I've been knocking from the inside !
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* I came and sat in front of You
as I would at an altar.
Every promise I made before
I broke when I saw you.

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