Bud Nazri
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Aly_shallwani
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Bud Nazri
Yam,<BR> I have heard many farmans of Mowla in Jk about Bud Nazri,Mowla says that avoid Bud nazri ,so whats that ,,is it "Not to see any girl"because in jk Girls are also present...and how can we avoid them,, and in our surroundings there are many beautiful girls we look at..sohow can we stop that...
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kinnare786
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Bud Nazri
Can someone post farman on Bud Nazri. Because as far as I know thier is only one farman in 1500 and that was in Africa. But I could be wrong. Because I am have very different concept on Bud Nazri. It is beautifully descirbe in Ramayan.b
Re: Bud Nazri
"As momins, you must never look at other Jamati women with coveting eyes. You must consider them as your own mother an sisters. What benefit can you get from religion if you look at other women with coveting eyes." (Dar-es-Salaam, September 27, 1899)kinnare786 wrote:Can someone post farman on Bud Nazri. Because as far as I know thier is only one farman in 1500 and that was in Africa. But I could be wrong. Because I am have very different concept on Bud Nazri. It is beautifully descirbe in Ramayan.b
The experience of the world is really inside and not out there. Lust and 'bad nazar' are attributes/attitudes of mind and the state of the soul rather than what is seen out there. An elevated soul will see a naked woman covered, whereas an unelavated soul will see a naked woman even if she is under the nikab!
Also as a person makes spiritual progress, his/her enjoyment and appreciation of higher beauties and joys will render the lower sexual pleasures as trivial and of no significance and hence no need for 'bad nazar' - it is redundant.
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Aly_shallwani
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zubair_mahamood
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Ya Ali Maddad,
I was bought up with Non Muslims, whenever they did something unethical I thought they must have never read Quran or have never listen to Prophetic teachings that’s why they do mistake and repent later…. I use to think people in Islamic countries follow strict Islamic Law and implement it in day to day affair…. Later my experience in Islamic countries shocked me, while discussing my experiences with a friend who shared a conversation of an Arab Muslim and an European (I don’t remember which place or who he meet but want to make a point with this incident)…
An Arab Muslim came to Europe; At Airport when He wised Immigration office (Ass salam ali kum), Immigration office reply (walakum salam zalim Arab)… (zalim means cruel or ruthless) Arab got angry and asked why you called me zalim…. Immigration office said your people were ruthless with my parent, what was my parent’s fault, why did you’re people do this cruelty with my ancestors… Arab got serious and said Immigration office to stop insulting him and his people…. Immigration officer replied Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) bought Allah Message and taught you people faith…. After him you were suppose to spread his word but you all started fighting among yourself and his word of truth never reached my ancestors so they lived in dark and died without any faith. I was born Non Muslim, after reading Prophet teaching I accept Islam cause of its beauty…. So what’s wrong if I calling you and your ancestor’s zalim…?
An educated person has less chance of making mistake then an uneducated person, we have a living Imam, we are suppose to have more ethical experience then others … we are suppose to set examples of ethic in society… why do you need a farman… if we have beautiful girls around us only to do baad nazri then our family member are also good looking do we see them with coveting eyes… Do you accept if anyone looks at your Mother, sister, wife, friend and daughter with coveting eyes… if you can’t accept it then how you do except other to accept your behaviour.
I think we can’t justify Baad nazri in any case! We must remember if an educated or an experience person makes a mistake it’s bigger then the mistake which an uneducated or an unexercised person makes… baad nazri with in Jamat or out of Jamat takes a Murid away from Mowla. Think what is important….
Ya Ali Madaad
I was bought up with Non Muslims, whenever they did something unethical I thought they must have never read Quran or have never listen to Prophetic teachings that’s why they do mistake and repent later…. I use to think people in Islamic countries follow strict Islamic Law and implement it in day to day affair…. Later my experience in Islamic countries shocked me, while discussing my experiences with a friend who shared a conversation of an Arab Muslim and an European (I don’t remember which place or who he meet but want to make a point with this incident)…
An Arab Muslim came to Europe; At Airport when He wised Immigration office (Ass salam ali kum), Immigration office reply (walakum salam zalim Arab)… (zalim means cruel or ruthless) Arab got angry and asked why you called me zalim…. Immigration office said your people were ruthless with my parent, what was my parent’s fault, why did you’re people do this cruelty with my ancestors… Arab got serious and said Immigration office to stop insulting him and his people…. Immigration officer replied Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) bought Allah Message and taught you people faith…. After him you were suppose to spread his word but you all started fighting among yourself and his word of truth never reached my ancestors so they lived in dark and died without any faith. I was born Non Muslim, after reading Prophet teaching I accept Islam cause of its beauty…. So what’s wrong if I calling you and your ancestor’s zalim…?
An educated person has less chance of making mistake then an uneducated person, we have a living Imam, we are suppose to have more ethical experience then others … we are suppose to set examples of ethic in society… why do you need a farman… if we have beautiful girls around us only to do baad nazri then our family member are also good looking do we see them with coveting eyes… Do you accept if anyone looks at your Mother, sister, wife, friend and daughter with coveting eyes… if you can’t accept it then how you do except other to accept your behaviour.
I think we can’t justify Baad nazri in any case! We must remember if an educated or an experience person makes a mistake it’s bigger then the mistake which an uneducated or an unexercised person makes… baad nazri with in Jamat or out of Jamat takes a Murid away from Mowla. Think what is important….
Ya Ali Madaad
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Aly_shallwani
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Try to be realistic <SPAN class=name><A name=""></A><B><FONT size=2>zubair_mahamood ,No brother will do bad nazri with her mom and her sister its the matter of Natural fact ,Its a human nature that you will see the girl definately who is beautiful,no matter she is in JK or out side,and i want to remind you that we are humans,and i am hundred percent sure that every man will see the woman who is beautiful,My question in real was about bud nazri,These days you will see the girls wearing such clothes in jk ,for which we cannot blame our culture,I think it depends o­n girls that what they are wearing in Jk....</FONT></B></SPAN>
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zubair_mahamood
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I think my posting was perfect; it was for boys and girls… you mean to say it depends on girls on what they wear… you mean to say if they don’t wear short cloths boy will not see them naturally (my apologies to all mothers and sisters)… if I reverse this in middle east I meet people who say if something is hidden we get tempted, it should be open… so what do you say now….. Its has nothing to do with culture… it’s about our feeling not on how girls wear… at the same time I don’t want to say girls can wear anything they want… looking beautiful must be priority but they shouldn’t wear such cloth which distract others…
Historical fact of Brother and sister is…. when Prophet Adam and Eva were forgiven by Allah… there kids were not like brothers and sisters like how we are…. They were marriage held among them… they had no feeling of brother and sister… like a pigeon, it gives two eggs at same time one a male and other female when they grow up they are couples not brother and sister….it was similar, until Allah’s command came (I don’t remember which prophet changed this tradition)… Marriage between children’s of single parent was prohibits and whole tradition was changed…. A new concept of brother and sister was introduces…. Later marriage law came into existence and we still follow this according to our beliefs…. feeling of brother and sister is natural today it was not at all natural in the begging……
I go to Jamatkhana for Mowla… when I start from my place I don’t have anything in my mind then Mowla…. When I reach Jamatkhana I feel I don’t have anyone between me and Mowla…. You also try to go to Jamatkhana for Mowla then I don’t think anyone will be able to distract you attention…. If we do Dua three times and do tasbi in our leisure time I think girls will have no meaning….
Beauty lies in beloved eyes… may be you didn’t hear of external beauty (looks) and internal beauty (character). I don’t think 100% men fall for external beauty… I think external beauty is for show and temporary… internal beauty is practical and permanent… what do you want is your choice…
Baad nazri is in our feeling… we can’t stop girls from wearing such cloths they must understand there responsibility at same time we must understand and don’t let any kind of feels which will take us away form Allah…
Historical fact of Brother and sister is…. when Prophet Adam and Eva were forgiven by Allah… there kids were not like brothers and sisters like how we are…. They were marriage held among them… they had no feeling of brother and sister… like a pigeon, it gives two eggs at same time one a male and other female when they grow up they are couples not brother and sister….it was similar, until Allah’s command came (I don’t remember which prophet changed this tradition)… Marriage between children’s of single parent was prohibits and whole tradition was changed…. A new concept of brother and sister was introduces…. Later marriage law came into existence and we still follow this according to our beliefs…. feeling of brother and sister is natural today it was not at all natural in the begging……
I go to Jamatkhana for Mowla… when I start from my place I don’t have anything in my mind then Mowla…. When I reach Jamatkhana I feel I don’t have anyone between me and Mowla…. You also try to go to Jamatkhana for Mowla then I don’t think anyone will be able to distract you attention…. If we do Dua three times and do tasbi in our leisure time I think girls will have no meaning….
Beauty lies in beloved eyes… may be you didn’t hear of external beauty (looks) and internal beauty (character). I don’t think 100% men fall for external beauty… I think external beauty is for show and temporary… internal beauty is practical and permanent… what do you want is your choice…
Baad nazri is in our feeling… we can’t stop girls from wearing such cloths they must understand there responsibility at same time we must understand and don’t let any kind of feels which will take us away form Allah…
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Aly_shallwani
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Thanx Zubair,for your post,I really appreciate what you said.....but in my opinion as the boys are defaulters for the sin "Bud nazri" then girls are also 50% defaulters with boys.....as you said <FONT size=2> "looking beautiful must be priority but they shouldn’t wear such cloth which distract others…" </FONT><BR>
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kinnare786
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This topic is taboo in our Community. It is almost never discuss. But it is a topic that need to be discuss in our Community. We in islam have stop critizing evil in our Society. Any thing wrong in our Societies is Islam. Let me hope that Question below would open up some discussion.
1. Is Pleasure sin in Islam?
2. Love and lust almost have same being? (Check Dictionary)
3. Why Islam allows more than one marriage. Even MHI has sain I quote " I dicourge my community to marry more than onece but I do not say no."
Interview was with Lebnon Televsion Network. Available on www.ismaili.net Second marraige is acceptable in Ismaili communnity except in Khoja tardition. I think because of Hindu tradition.
4. Marriage is Social Contract in Islam nothing to do with Religion? Not like in Hinduism and Christainty
5. Why in Islam Urfai and Mutta is allowed? Acceptable in Ismaili doctrine also; may be not in Khoja tradition.
6. Allah wants us to enjoy life?
7. Bibi Khadija fall in love with Prophet Mohammed first then she married him and it was she who proposed. What that would mean in todays' American Society.
I thing that enough for now have written enough to get zubair boiling.
1. Is Pleasure sin in Islam?
2. Love and lust almost have same being? (Check Dictionary)
3. Why Islam allows more than one marriage. Even MHI has sain I quote " I dicourge my community to marry more than onece but I do not say no."
Interview was with Lebnon Televsion Network. Available on www.ismaili.net Second marraige is acceptable in Ismaili communnity except in Khoja tardition. I think because of Hindu tradition.
4. Marriage is Social Contract in Islam nothing to do with Religion? Not like in Hinduism and Christainty
5. Why in Islam Urfai and Mutta is allowed? Acceptable in Ismaili doctrine also; may be not in Khoja tradition.
6. Allah wants us to enjoy life?
7. Bibi Khadija fall in love with Prophet Mohammed first then she married him and it was she who proposed. What that would mean in todays' American Society.
I thing that enough for now have written enough to get zubair boiling.
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zubair_mahamood
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Ya Ali Madaad,
Yes Aly… a Girl is our biggest test… If girls want they can open door of jannath for us and if girls want they can show us door of dozaqh…. It’s my practical experiences….. But it’s not our work to judge anyone, its Allah alone who has this right…
Your feeling is common among boys… I think anything that make us away form Mowla we must get away from that thing, that thing should have no meaning to us… when I said we have more experience than other, I mean to say we have experience from Prophet Adam to Mowla Hazar Imam so Imam’s relationship is more important us than any other thing…. You’re frank to come up with this topic…I think this topic is now a day discussed in all faith’s… Last year I was visiting a church with my friends, church volunteers at the entrance were giving dress to visitor’s who were not decently dressed…. Allah doesn’t give us pain that we can’t bear… Every individual has cause of problem we should find and deal with it….
And kinnnare786 your 7 question are very simple but why do you want me to boil..... if u ask in simple words i will reply them..
Ya Ali Madaad
Zubair Mahamood
Yes Aly… a Girl is our biggest test… If girls want they can open door of jannath for us and if girls want they can show us door of dozaqh…. It’s my practical experiences….. But it’s not our work to judge anyone, its Allah alone who has this right…
Your feeling is common among boys… I think anything that make us away form Mowla we must get away from that thing, that thing should have no meaning to us… when I said we have more experience than other, I mean to say we have experience from Prophet Adam to Mowla Hazar Imam so Imam’s relationship is more important us than any other thing…. You’re frank to come up with this topic…I think this topic is now a day discussed in all faith’s… Last year I was visiting a church with my friends, church volunteers at the entrance were giving dress to visitor’s who were not decently dressed…. Allah doesn’t give us pain that we can’t bear… Every individual has cause of problem we should find and deal with it….
And kinnnare786 your 7 question are very simple but why do you want me to boil..... if u ask in simple words i will reply them..
Ya Ali Madaad
Zubair Mahamood
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kinnare786
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Bud Nazri
I was waiting for some one would post in reference to my questions. why we try not to sin. well most of the sin that we commite harm us only. Ofcourse it does not harm God. So what really become sin. Sin is any thing that we do too much. like anger, to much of anger would harm ourselves thats the reason we are told my pirs to control our anger their are five of this human flow we are told to control. Carnal desire is also one of them. So their is no Bud nazirir but we are told to control our carnal desire. Their is thousand of sin which we commit in our life time but there is way to get it washed by good. Quran say Good deed cuts your sin. so try to control yourself and enjoy life thats what Allah wants.
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zubair_mahamood
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Ya Ali Madaad,
I wanted to answer your simple Questions but didn’t because I like Allah’s created words like Please and Thanks not boiling etc…
I still don’t want to answer but I m Answering your 7 Question for today’s women… If you tell someone in any society that Bibi Khadja fall in love with Prophet Muhammad first then she married him and it was she who proposed. It would be like telling half story for your benefit….
Islam has given equal position for men and women… I don’t think there is anything wrong if a women fall in love and express her feeling…. If you are worried about American women then why don’t you also tell them after marring Prophet Muhammad her commitment didn’t change, she dedicated her life for Prophet, and was sincere and honest in her relationship…. Not like today where people if they have disposable income look for new relationships….
Zubair Mahamood
I wanted to answer your simple Questions but didn’t because I like Allah’s created words like Please and Thanks not boiling etc…
I still don’t want to answer but I m Answering your 7 Question for today’s women… If you tell someone in any society that Bibi Khadja fall in love with Prophet Muhammad first then she married him and it was she who proposed. It would be like telling half story for your benefit….
Islam has given equal position for men and women… I don’t think there is anything wrong if a women fall in love and express her feeling…. If you are worried about American women then why don’t you also tell them after marring Prophet Muhammad her commitment didn’t change, she dedicated her life for Prophet, and was sincere and honest in her relationship…. Not like today where people if they have disposable income look for new relationships….
Zubair Mahamood